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Cleaner Fracking Fluids Are Goal

Industry developing ‘greener’ versions of controversial liquids

February 4, 2013

PITTSBURGH (AP) — The oil and gas industry is trying to ease environmental concerns by developing nontoxic fluids for the drilling process known as fracking, but it’s not clear whether the new......

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Marcellus

Mar-09-13 9:52 AM

Ha! More TROLLSLAYER propaganda... even though he spends his entire waking life on this message board trying to brainwash those who will listen, he is WRONG again. His latest blunder: 'Injection wells deposit the fluid into very deep porous formations. And water doesn't run uphill. Especially not a mile uphill.' Excuse me, but have you heard of FLOWBACK Mr. or Mrs. Omnificent? It does flow 'uphill' back out of shale wells bringing along mother nature's own mix of poisons that were locked in the shale, in addition to the orginal frac fluids pumped downhole. Some wells puke back 1-million gallons of this toxic waste fluid. Do some research TROLLSLAYER, and remember, 'You never learn anything when you are talking.'

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TrollSlayer

Feb-04-13 9:23 PM

LogHog, it’s good to be a skeptic. But research the issue for yourself, and don’t base your skepticism on leftist propaganda. Here’s a good overview article to start.

w ww.popularmechanics.c om/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593

I didn’t say fracking fluid was as safe as sewage; I said it could be disposed of as safely as sewage. But in fact it may be safer than some sewage. And don't think that leach field is protecting your ground water from all those cleansers, bleaches, unmetabolized medications, metal residues, and other non-organic nasty stuff you put down your drain.

Injection wells deposit the fluid into very deep porous formations. And water doesn't run uphill. Especially not a mile uphill.

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LogHog

Feb-04-13 9:08 PM

and so, they pump it one mile under. But in the injection well. What is in the space from one mile up to the top of the well? Just air space? Isn't the well encased in concrete? Sooner or later, probably later some of the concrete will fail. Not many seem much concerned. To me, it seems a little like the thinking on the national debt. So much money involved that most really don't care. That problems do come from it. It will be some one elses problems later. Hope I'm wrong. The valley does need the income from the drilling.

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LogHog

Feb-04-13 9:00 PM

I'm always a skeptic when being told, don't worry, it's safe.

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LogHog

Feb-04-13 8:58 PM

I'm not saying it isn't safe, but if it is as safe as sewage, why isn't it allowed to be leached into the ground as such? You know, like septic tanks are?

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TrollSlayer

Feb-04-13 8:38 PM

UNCOMMONNONSENSE, nitrogen fracking works great in Tennesee’s shallower, thinner, porous Chattanooga Shale. It doesn’t work well for the much deeper, thicker, dense Marcellus. Did you consider doing a little research on this before you posted that nonsense?

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TrollSlayer

Feb-04-13 8:01 PM

UNCOMMONNONSENSE, fracking fluid isn't diesel; it's mostly water. And they aren’t pouring fracking fluid on the ground. They’re pumping it into strata A MILE DOWN, not into the “soil.”

Amazing what little sense your post made. LOL

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UNCOMMONSENSE

Feb-04-13 7:33 PM

If YOU as an individual told the EPA that you poured a gallon of diesel fuel or anti-freeze on the ground, they would have you arrested

Yet fracking pumps MILLIONS of gallons of these chemicals into the soil every day

Amazing what a little palm grease will do!

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UNCOMMONSENSE

Feb-04-13 7:23 PM

In Tennessee they have been using nitrogen fracking for years with great success!!

So why re-invent the wheel!!

It eliminates the use of millions of gallons of water and deadly chemicals used locally and it makes the drilling prsess much safer

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TrollSlayer

Feb-04-13 6:43 PM

Nobody says fracking fluid is safe to drink. Sewage isn’t safe to drink, either, but you don’t see any move to ban sewers. When used properly and disposed of properly, fracking fluid presents little to no risk; certainly no more risk than trucking gasoline to market or disposing of sewage.

If Marcellus fracking is so dangerous here, and since thousands of wells here have already been fracked, certainly the anti-fracking mob can cite a single example water well contamination from fracking. Still waiting on that.

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LogHog

Feb-04-13 5:40 PM

My only qestion about fracking is. Well, if the fracking fluid is so safe, Why do they take it to injection wells and pump it deep underground to be isolated?

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pipelinegypsy798

Feb-04-13 4:44 PM

I strongly recommend watching the documentary Fracknation. There is no proof that hydraulic fracturing has contaminated ground water. The people that say google this or google that are just proving how people believe all of the crap activist put on the internet to demonize the gas industry. Please take the time and educate yourself on the matter and watch Fracknation, there are a lot of myths debunked in that documentary.

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TrollSlayer

Feb-04-13 11:48 AM

WVUGEO, Marcellus, now that you’ve dumped your usual “fracking kills” anti-gas propaganda, why don’t you give us that single documented example of a fracking fluid-contaminated water well anywhere in the Ohio Valley? Considering hundreds to thousands of wells have been fracked in the local area I’d think you could give us just ONE example.

Or I suppose you could just go on to peddle your CO2 to fuel scam again, or gripe about how all those drillers don’t boost economic activity here and in the next post gripe about how all those drillers are causing so much congestion at all the local bars, restaurants, stores... Because truth or proof or plausibility or even common sense or consistency are not required to post here. LOL

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idliketoknow

Feb-04-13 10:54 AM

And once again I ask you: Where is the proven case study that shows this is adversely effecting the environment? Surprise! There is none....

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WVUGEO

Feb-04-13 8:09 AM

And, we'll never really know for certain whether the frac fluids are made to be "non-toxic". Under an amendment to the Safe Drinking Water Act sponsored and promoted by then-Vice President Cheney, an amendment commonly referred to as the "Halliburton Loophole", search for it on the web, there's plenty of info available, well drillers do not have to disclose what, exactly, is in the frac fluids. The compositions can be treated as "trade secrets", even though they are being pumped into the environment.

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WVUGEO

Feb-04-13 7:35 AM

"The oil and gas industry is trying to ease environmental concerns by developing nontoxic fluids for the drilling process known as fracking", with the implication, and conclusion to be drawn, being that the fluids used currently, and which have been used for a long time and in a lot of places, are toxic. But, the frac fluids are far from the only problem. Do a web search for: "Fracking taps a mile-deep danger", and: "Penn State: Marcellus Frack Fluids Bring Ancient Radium to the Surface".

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Marcellus

Feb-04-13 6:49 AM

Actions speak louder than words. A recent article at FuelFixdotcom: 'Industry injected more than 32 million gallons of diesel and fluids containing diesel into wells as part of hydraulic fracturing operations between 2005 and 2009 without seeking permits from regulators, according to a report issued today by a congressional committee. In a letter sent to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson today, Democratic Reps. Henry A. Waxman, Edward J. Markey and Diana DeGette say the diesel injections were done in wells in 19 states, likely in violation of the Safe Drinking Water Act.' No wonder they have lost people's trust!

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