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Obamacare Will Send Costs Up

February 22, 2013

Calls for repeal of “Obamacare,” the president’s national health care takeover, seemed to fade away after President Barack Obama was re-elected last November....

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WVEXPAT

Feb-24-13 10:57 AM

2004 Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, "The truth is, everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. That's a good start, but we're not gonna get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board."

• Jared Bernstein, who used to be Vice President Joseph Biden's economist, wrote in the Financial Times in August that Obama "will have to include tax increases beyond just the wealthiest households, although that is the right place to start," (IBD)

• In 2010, the New York Times editorial page warned that "more Americans — and not just the rich — are going to have to pay more taxes." • New York Times economics columnist Eduardo Porter, in an August column bemoaning "America's Aversion to Taxes," noted that "virtually every economist knows that just maintaining Medicare and Medicaid benefits will require raising taxes on the middle class." (IBD)

The taxes from Obamacare are just a start!!!

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Thebudman

Feb-24-13 9:35 AM

Costs up and a doctor shortage as a result of obamacare...

"February 22, 2013|By Kathleen Haughney, Tallahassee Bureau TALLAHASSEE Brace yourself for longer lines at the doctor's office.

Whether you're employed and insured, elderly and on Medicare, or poor and covered by Medicaid, the Florida Medical Association says there's a growing shortage of doctors — especially specialists — available to provide you with medical care.

And if the Florida Legislature goes along with Gov. Rick Scott's recommendation to offer Medicaid coverage to an additional 1 million Floridians — part of the Affordable Care Act that takes effect next January — the FMA says that shortage will only get worse."

Take a good book to read when you have to go to the doctors, you're going to wait a while!

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daWraith

Feb-24-13 8:00 AM

Obamacare already COST Medicare about $700 BILLION in funding!!!

Another Obama TRICK, STEAL the money from other programs so you don't have to raise taxes to get it STARTED.

By 2020 Obamascare will cost $1.76 TRILLION in taxes, the largest tax increase in the history of mankind!

MASSIVE HUGE EPIC FAIL!

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promo61

Feb-23-13 4:50 PM

Goose's reasoning is, it was never going down prior to ACA so don't whine now that it's still going up. That's fix in liberal-speak.

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daWraith

Feb-23-13 3:37 PM

Idiots, Obamacare was WRITTEN by consultants and Lawyers to the health care industry.

I wonder WHOM the laws benefit???

If you said the CONSUMER, you already need mental health care!!!

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Gooseman

Feb-23-13 3:10 PM

Check out Time article on line "Why medical bills are killing us." ****: // healthland.time. com/ 2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/

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wvhoopie

Feb-23-13 2:26 PM

The health care in the taft hartley funds I'm involved with are under $700 month for family coverage and that includes low deductible OOP caps at $500, RX at $5/$10 deductibles, dental, eye, disability, life, ad&d and ortho. We are anticipating huge savings as projected by the consultants by going to the exchanges. We will monitor this. If this becomes reality, we will bargain those savings into wages. Things are looking quite good!

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WVEXPAT

Feb-23-13 10:10 AM

I think Goose has somewhat of a point here. Healthcare spending increases have slowed a bit. When you have so many people un(under)employed it adds greatly to Medicaid rolls. Medicaid reimburse Doctors well below market price.

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oldmansvan

Feb-23-13 10:06 AM

Trolls LOL means lack of logic.

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TrollSlayer

Feb-23-13 8:36 AM

Oh, sorry Goosy. I neglected to give you the response you deserved.

“but BUUUHSSSSSH!!!”???

There. Feel better? LOL

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Gooseman

Feb-23-13 8:12 AM

I didnt think ANY ONE of the right wing extremists, US hating, President hating, everyday whining, blowhards would answer the question:

"Was anyones health insurance going DOWN before Obamacares?

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daWraith

Feb-23-13 6:01 AM

Idiots! From a few weeks ago:

"– In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS. The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan. “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says."

OOOOH, saves you a LOT of money, eh???

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daWraith

Feb-23-13 5:57 AM

Bloviator has no idea what he is drooling about.

Most states are REFUSING to set up their own health care program, instead want the FEDS to do and FALL on their A&&ES.

The Feds have NO IDEA how to set up a state program. Blink leading the Blind into costly Oblivion.

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rover1958

Feb-22-13 10:09 PM

Oh, bwhahahahahahah!!!

Talk about a badly timed article!

The King of the Tea Party Gov. Rick Scott of Florida ran his campaign on not giving in to 'ObamaCare'....well, he's just done a 180 with a bittersweet 'mea culpa' as he brayed, “This country is the greatest in the world, and it’s the greatest largely because of how we value the weakest among us,.... “It shouldn’t depend on your Zip code or your tax bracket. No mother or father should despair over whether they have access to high-quality health care for their sick child.” With federal funds covering the cost, “I cannot in good conscience deny Floridians that needed access to health care.”.

In a word....HE'S EMBRACED THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT (aka: ObamaCare)

Rick's munching that humble pie and crow. Wonder when our own Disciple of Everything Stupid (Wrat) will roll his eyes, shout to the heavens and from his drooling lips embrace Barack Obama as his political savior? daWraith da Democrat sees the light.

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daWraith

Feb-22-13 9:40 PM

WVUJerk, figures a loser from WVU can't figure out government finance 101.

Bill BJ Clinton added $1.6 Trillion to the debt, Bush added $4.9 Trillion, Both in 8 years, and the undisputed DEBT CHAMP Barack Owebama added $6.2 Trillion in FOUR {bleeping} years!!!!

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daWraith

Feb-22-13 9:31 PM

Obviously this isn't the first "oversight" associated with this unconstitutional abomination. In March of 2011, Obama's heath care czarina Kathleen Sebelius was forced to acknowledge under oath that the government double-counted $529 billion in "savings" associated with the implementation of the legislation.

Numerous other errors and omissions have been uncovered within ObamaCare's fuzzy math — including a $52 billion raid of Social Security and a $72 billion repayment obligation for a new "long-term care trust fund."

According to Congressional Budget Office estimates released on the eve of its passage in March 2010, ObamaCare was originally projected to add $109 billion to the federal deficit over 10 years. We can now add more than $1 trillion to that total (and counting), shredding once and for all Obama's ridiculous claim that his signature legislation is "one of the biggest deficit-reduction plans in history."

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daWraith

Feb-22-13 9:31 PM

Howard Rich 8/10/11

"The latest cost overrun associated with ObamaCare? A $500 billion "error" associated with insuring the spouses and children of new entitlement recipients. That's $500 billion in additional deficit spending — although it didn't stem from an "error" so much as it was the result of a deliberate miscalculation. As it attempted to calculate ObamaCare's true fiscal impact, the Congressional Budget Office was explicitly instructed to ignore the cost of covering family members under new eligibility requirements for low-income private sector employees. "The Congressional Budget Office has never done a cost-estimate of this (because) they were expressly told to do their modeling on single coverage," researcher Richard Burkhauser told the Daily Caller this month.

Documents .. demonstrate the lengths to which Obama supporters went in an effort to hide these costs from the tax

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WVEXPAT

Feb-22-13 9:16 PM

Tax revenue as a % of GDP will be 19.2% by 2015. The last Clinton budget it was 19.5%. Liberals constantly point out the "tax rates" of that fabled era and how great things were. What they won't point out is that Federal spending during that year was 18.2% while 2015 will be 22.5%! If spending levels were the same as the Clinton years we'd be close to a balanced budget. It's the spending stupid!!!

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TrollSlayer

Feb-22-13 8:00 PM

wvujeff “Do you see a problem with this whole thing yet? You cannot, as a government, fail to realize enough tax revenue to pay off your debts, and cutting programs doesn't provide sufficient enough savings to make up for the lost tax revenue. Hence, a deficit begins to build.”

Double negatives aside, tell us, Jeff, why cutting programs doesn’t provide “sufficient enough” savings to reduce the deficit. Considering the deficit is MOSTLY programs that need to be cut. I hope you’re not a wvu finance major, Jeff. Or I hope you can figure out how to put fries in little bags when the bell rings. Or do I have to feed you and pay for your health insurance, too? LOL

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TrollSlayer

Feb-22-13 7:53 PM

wvujeff “The need for higher taxes is there, as without sufficient tax revenues the government cannot pay down the ballooning National Debt.”

Educate us with a little WVU math, Jeff, and tell us what tax rate on the “rich” would be sufficient to pay down the National Debt. We “Republitards” seek your vast wisdom.

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TrollSlayer

Feb-22-13 7:50 PM

Always amusing when one who uses a term like “Republitards” calls conservatives idiots. LOL

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wvujeff

Feb-22-13 6:08 PM

This world is filled with idiots. Take TrollSlayer, for example, who actually pretends to have intelligence. The Democratic Party and Obama are stuck trying to fix the mess the Republitards created under GW Bush. The need for higher taxes is there, as without sufficient tax revenues the government cannot pay down the ballooning National Debt.

The tax cuts and tax loopholes that led to the problem were Republican Party creations, not Democratic Party creations. The Republican Party always wants to cut assistance programs for the people, give businesses tax breaks, and cut taxes on the rich. They also want to increase spending on NASA and other useless programs. Do you see a problem with this whole thing yet? You cannot, as a government, fail to realize enough tax revenue to pay off your debts, and cutting programs doesn't provide sufficient enough savings to make up for the lost tax revenue. Hence, a deficit begins to build. The Democrats didn't do this.

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TrollSlayer

Feb-22-13 5:12 PM

Goosy, you mean during the “but BUSH!” years? I think it was you liberals who were doing all the whining then. Come to think of it, you still are. LOL

Maybe because we were getting what we were paying for. Now you freeloaders are getting what we're still paying even more for. LOL

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Howard

Feb-22-13 5:04 PM

I do think it would have been nice if those who voted this miserable piece of legislation into law would have taken the time to read it before they voted on it. Pelosi advised them to vote on it after saying we can read it later. Now that's the kind of thinking you havde to admire.

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Gooseman

Feb-22-13 4:58 PM

Was anyones health insurance going DOWN before Obamacares?

Were right wing wackos whining when their health insurance premiums were increasing at record rates while health insurance companies and pharmas were making record profits from 2001-2009? Wonder why they didnt whine then?

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