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Both Sides in Gun Debate Take Aim at Public Support

NYC mayor, NRA chief head-to-head before vote

March 25, 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — Two of the loudest voices in the gun debate say it’s up to voters now to make their position known to Congress....

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Mar-25-13 7:58 AM

Why does the target look like Gooseman?

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Mar-25-13 8:33 AM

Of course the target is that of a the most hated scourge of American society.... the white male.

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Mar-25-13 8:44 AM

Displaced makes a good point. The most racially harassed and marginalized person in America is the white male, not blacks. You still get to pay most of the taxes, you still get to serve in the military and you still get to work while others do not, but beyond that, white men are discriminated against more than any segment of society. The media does a good job of subtly doing that. Do think that the average American (white or not) thinks of the gun owner today as the law abiding citizen who has owned guns for decades and committed no crime, or the thugs and druggies who own guns illegally and use them to commit violent crime? I am betting that for most the picture of the gun criminal is just some poor working white guy who has a pistol in his house. What a monster, that must end. The media does a good job of herding us around like zombies. The radical left owns information in America and that makes being a citizen, or a free person, more difficult than ever.

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Mar-25-13 9:04 AM

You'll are delusional! Common sense will eventually win the argument. Then all poor persecuted white men (ha ha) can really cry in their beer.

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Mar-25-13 2:37 PM

When Mayor Michael can prove his NYC gunlaw is very successful then I might support his laws. The same goes to Rahm in Chicago.

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Mar-25-13 4:34 PM

ALL GUNS should be titled, registered, licensed just like automobiles. Any sale of any gun would have to be accompanied by a transfer of title and a new license of the weapon. This should be done for ALL guns. This in no way infringes on the Second Amendment. ANYONE CAUGHT WITH A NON TITLED WEAPON SHOULD RECEIVE A 20 YEAR PRISON TERM WITH NO EARLY RELEASE. My proposal does not INFRINGE on OWNERSHIP. It doesn't prevent or criminalize RESPONSIBLE LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS from owning as many weapons as they wish. What it does do is make it criminal to transfer ownership of a weapon without the proper background checks and title transfer. IT DOES NOT INFRINGE ON YOUR RIGHT TO OWNERSHIP OF WEAPONS.

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Mar-25-13 4:53 PM

GLUELESS idiot, what is the penalty for murdering somebody with a knife, a hatchet, a baseball at, or a GUN?

IN most states DEATH or LIFE without PAROLE.

So if THAT does not stop crazy people, what possible penalty for gun violence WOULD?

Ever here of PRESUMPTION of INNOCENCE?? If I have a gun and I have NOT committed a crime but did NOT fill out some paper work, WHAT SERIOUS CRIME have I committed?

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Mar-25-13 4:55 PM


Tell us 'Less, what amendment gives me the right to own or drive an automobile?

Do I need to REGISTER to have FREE SPEECH?

Do I need to REGISTER to have my 14th amendment rights to EQUAL PROTECTION under the LAW???

Do I need to REGISTER to be protected from UNLAWFUL SEARCH and SEIZURE?

Then why Second Amendment RIGHTS???

The Constitution Framers said we have GOD GIVEN RIGHTS..... hence the BILL of RIGHTS defined them.

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Mar-25-13 5:56 PM

One of the classic law enforcement training tools is called the "shoot-no shoot" exercise. The trainee is exposed to a series of situations and is required to quickly decide if the use of deadly force is appropriate and then to take action. The exercise may include a mock neighborhood where figures pop up in doorways, windows, side streets, etc. The figure may be of a bad guy pointing a gun at you or it might be simply someone holding a broomstick. At one time the figures of "bad guys" were all male. Now females are included in the bad guy lineup. It can be a middle aged woman holding what looks like a baby wrapped in a blanket, but the blanket is wrapped around a sawed off shotgun or a pistol. You have to make a decision on how to respond almost instantly.

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Mar-25-13 6:07 PM

This was already settled FOREVER in 1791!!

And REGARDLESS of what these TYRANTS try and do, I will ALWAYS be armed at ALL times!

I fought these communists and terrorists on foreign soil and will NOT tolerate them in MY Government!!!


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Mar-25-13 6:08 PM


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Mar-25-13 7:25 PM

Wienerdawg "One of the classic law enforcement training tools is called the LIBERAL "shoot-no shoot" exercise."

If a suspect looks like a rich person or successful businessman, you must SHOOT IMMEDIATELY.

If they look like an Deadbeat Occupy Wheeling dolt, NO SHOOTING is permitted, you must wait until THEY shoot you dead before returning fire.

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Mar-25-13 7:27 PM

1. Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians.

2. It’s always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

3. Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.

4. Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.

5. Never say, “I’ve got a gun.” If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.

6. The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.

7. The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – cheat if necessary.

8. Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . . You may get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to beat you to death with it, because it’ll be empty.

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Mar-25-13 7:28 PM

9. If you’re in a gunfight:

- If you’re not shooting, you should be loading.

- If you’re not loading, you should be moving.

- If you’re not moving, you’re dead.

10. In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!

11. If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?

12. You can say ‘stop’ or ‘alto’ or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much a universal language.

13. You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.

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Mar-25-13 7:31 PM

wienerdawg, isn't 380 parts per million of plant food (CO2) going to kill us first anyway???

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Mar-25-13 7:33 PM

Poll taken just after Sandy Hook:

"Nearly twice as many voters say there would be less violent crime if more law-abiding Americans owned guns, than if guns were banned.

In addition, while American voters generally favor strengthening gun laws, 71 percent do not think tougher laws can stop shootings like the one last month in Newtown, Connecticut.

Some 22 percent say new laws can prevent the next Sandy Hook.

These are just some of the findings from a Fox News poll released Friday. "


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Mar-25-13 9:50 PM

14. Keeping a gun in the home carries a murder risk 2.7 times greater than not keeping one, according to a study by Arthur Kellermann. The National Rifle Association has fiercely attacked this study, but it remains valid despite its criticisms. The study found that people are 21 times more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger breaking into the house. Half of the murders were over arguments or romantic triangles. The study also found that the increased murder rate in gun-owning households was entirely due to an increase in gun homicides only, not any other murder method. It further found that gun-owning households saw an increased murder risk by family or intimate acquaintances, not by strangers or non-intimate acquaintances. The most straightforward explanation is that the presence of a gun increases the possibility that a normal family fight or drinking binge will become deadly. No other explanation fits the above facts.

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Mar-25-13 9:53 PM

15. Last year there were about 16,000 gun murders in the US. Half of those were committed by strangers. So figure about 8000 people were murdered by strangers in a country of 300,000,000. Playing with statistics this gives you about 1 in 42,000 chance of being murdered with a gun by a stranger.

Carolyn Shoemaker has put the odds of the asteroid Aprohis (about the size of the Superdome) smashing into the Earth at about 1 in 45,000. This would be bad of course. How bad no one knows for sure.

Since many of the people that were murdered in the US were killed outside of their homes (could not find hard numbers on this) the chance of an intruder breaking into your home and killing you is likely significantly less than the odds of the Earth being struck by a large asteroid in the next 40 years.

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Mar-25-13 9:56 PM

16. People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership. Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as assault-weapons bans or safe-storage requirements.

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Mar-25-13 9:59 PM

17. Despite the proliferation of GUNS in the USA the number of mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0

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Mar-25-13 10:03 PM

"We don't need more gun laws—we just need to enforce the ones we have."

Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby make it easier to get guns illegally. • Around 40% of all legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks. 40% of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes got them this way. • An investigation found 62% of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn't pass a background check. • 20% of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to researchers posing as illegal "straw" buyers. • The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has not had a permanent director for 6 years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.

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Mar-25-13 10:12 PM

I give the odds of Clueless having an IQ higher than a church mouse are about the same as being hit by Uranus.

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Mar-25-13 10:15 PM


Since the handgun ban took effect, the number of murders in Chicago committed using handguns has been 40% higher than before the ban, and has spiked even higher in recent years, proving that the gun ban actually served to cause an increase in violent crime.

Despite the fact that it is virtually impossible for an average citizen to obtain a gun through legal channels in Britain, the rate of violent crime in the UK is higher per capita than the US and the highest in the world amongst “rich” countries aside from Australia, which also instituted a draconian gun ban in the 1990's.

Preventing law-abiding people from owning guns clearly has no impact on violent crime, and if anything causes it to rise because the criminals know their victims will not be able to defend themselves.

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Mar-25-13 10:18 PM

Facts are Biache!

"Now let’s take a look at a country which is geographically-speaking a stone’s throw away from the United Kingdom – Switzerland.

With a population of just six million, Switzerland has 2 million publicly-owned firearms. Despite the fact that guns are everywhere in Switzerland and are a deeply-ingrained part of Swiss culture, the gun crime rate “is so low that statistics are not even kept,” reports the BBC.

Indeed, with its population of law-abiding armed citizens, Switzerland is one of the safest countries to live in the entire world, with homicide rates at just 2.2 people per 100,000.

So the UK is one of the most dangerous places to live in the developed world, while Switzerland is one of the safest, and yet Switzerland is a nation of gun owners. How then can we possibly conclude that gun control reduces violent crime when in virtually every instance it has proven to have the opposite effect?

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Mar-26-13 7:12 AM

cueless you sir are like your fearful leader the big zerO...You Lie

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