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W.Va. Taxpayers Subsidizing Out-of-State Horse Breeding

April 28, 2013

WHEELING — State taxpayers shelled out $92 million last year to fund horse and dog racing in West Virginia, a review by the Sunday News-Register has reveale....

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legal6

Apr-30-13 5:08 PM

Hold on now! If you're going to start using facts and do the reporting that this paper refuses to do-it'll be anarchy! lol

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maresnestfarm

Apr-30-13 8:17 AM

Unfortunatly, this article demonstrates that Gov. Kessler does not understand his own States racing program. The money the state is spending on racing is an investment not an expense. People only receive WV Breeders awards if they spend money to breed/ foal their mares in WV. I am a Virginia resident who raises WV bred race horses due to the Breeders awards available. Because of that, I purchased a 120 acre farm near Charles Town, WV, I spent over $100k turning it into a horse farm, I employee a family of 5 full time and provide their housing, I buy all my hay, grain, farm supplies, fuel, and horse equipment in WV. I reinvest my breeders awards to improve my broodmare band and Stallions. NOT to mention that this greatly improves the quality of racing, that has caused the betting handle to sky rocket (over $340 million in 2012) of which the state reaps a healthy income from. Mr. Kesler, don't shoot your Golden Goose, Your State recieves a huge dividend from it.

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CBrooks

Apr-29-13 12:31 PM

RKnapp is right. This is misleading and uninformed. I raced horses at Charles Town and the state of residence tells a VERY small part of the story. An owner living in Winchester can have 20 horses bred in WV and spend all of that purse money 5 miles down the road in WV. Almost the whole economic impact is felt in WV. You’ll see people flee from WV like you wouldn’t believe if this happens. If you want FACTS, racing in WV has never been better. The money is being put to great use. More money is paid out to horses bred in WV than ever before and that’s going up. Mountaineer had a champion horse in the WV Derby last year and Charles Town now has one of the biggest races in the country if not world. And there’s NO taxpayer money here. This all comes from a fund where racing and gaming create the revenue themselves. This is just people trying to divert money for their own causes.

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Rknapp

Apr-29-13 9:54 AM

I have my primary residence in Reston, Virginia. However, I have a 2nd home in WV. The only reason I bought that home was to be near WV racing and I am in CharlesTown 2 or 3 days each week. I have two horses at the race track, and two more that will come to the track on May 1. I have 3 broodmares, a weanling, a yearling and a 2 year old at a WV farm. All my horses spend their entire lives in WV and are trained by a WV trainer and cared for by WV residents. On occasion I may make a few dollars but for the most part it is very difficult to make a profit. If I were not to be eligible for breeding money I would sell the WV home, stop breeding and racing in WV, and quit betting and going to CharlesTown. The WV breeding program would be devastated if out of staters were to be denied participation and the horse population in WV would be be hit hard as well. I would start breeding in Maryland and spend my money in that state. Seems to me folks have not thought very carefully about this matter

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LogHog

Apr-29-13 2:40 AM

Ain't it grand what some corruption and greed can do for the state.. pick any state and if you look close you will find similar things. land of the free, home of the brave. ha, land of the weed home of the slave

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Hefner

Apr-28-13 10:58 PM

Mr. Ebigg: then we agree.

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MikeEbigg

Apr-28-13 10:26 PM

The name is Ebigg, Mr./Ms. Hefner.

As I understand it, this is money that the citizens, whether taxpayers or not, have never benefitted from. It stays within the gambling ecosystem. As a WV citizen, I have never been told that a road could not be improved because the money had been transferred to the breeder fund. As a WV taxpayer, none of the money I have paid in taxes, income, sales, cigarette, booze, etc., has gone to the breeder fund.

I am not disagreeing that there are far better uses for the revenue than the breeder fund, but I vehemently disagree with framing this as a situation in which money is coming directly from the pockets of John Q. Taxpayer to fund the breeders. That is simply propaganda coming from the gambling companies.

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legal6

Apr-28-13 10:10 PM

And the tracks got a bill passed that makes the breeders pay for all the employees like judges, racing comm people, track vets etc. No taxpayer money helps the racing industry, yet this paper, with it's own agenda has this poor little reporter toil with it's onesided reporting under the threat of losing his 29,500 a year.

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mattyc8833

Apr-28-13 9:48 PM

What makes this whole piece ironic is the fact that the state of West Virginia has taken money from the Breeder's Association (to the tune of $11M net terminal income from race purses each year) to fund the workers' compensation fraud, er, Fund.

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Hefner

Apr-28-13 6:51 PM

Mr. Bigg is partially correct, these dollars are coming from the play at the casino's, however, it should be going to the taxpayers in the form of State services or any other of the many things the state needs, but it's not, instead, this piece of pie goes into the black hole of never know land. This is theft, plain and simple.

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DickCiampa

Apr-28-13 6:36 PM

Perhaps Mr. Simms would answer this question for me since he seems so concerned about money leaving WV, Am I to believe you only hired at Wheeling Island and Casino, WV residents?

There were and are no people from Ohio or Penn. employed at Wheeling because if there are wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?

Money leaving the state is money leaving the state.

I know of no business that is close to a border that only employs people from their own state.

Mr. Simms seems like someone that is not telling the whole truth.

he states how much is going paid out, but are we to believe there is nothing coming back in return? Nothing at all?

I would think the people that live in WV pay taxes. I would think the farms that raise the greyhounds have a fair amount of land and pay a fair amount of taxes.

In their tax bracket I believe there is a 6.5% state income tax.

Food and vet bills are paid to WV people. haulers driving to WV buy gas and food.

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wonderwhy

Apr-28-13 6:08 PM

PNC Park also opened in 2001 for the Pirates at a cost of $262 million with state taxpayers picking up $75 million, regional taxpayers $137 million and the Pirates $50 million. The Pirates’ share was partially paid by the $30 million PNC Bank gave them for naming rights to the predominantly publicly financed stadium. So the NR is shaming the racing industry for what the owner does.

NOW, with that being said, I would rather watch a professional sports team than go to a gambling parlor, however, taxpayers were on the hook for each of these venues. Wonderwhy they even bring this up?

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MikeEbigg

Apr-28-13 5:39 PM

And I as a WV taxpayer am not paying anything toward this fund. The amount of money in this fund is determined solely by the amount of gambling revenue. It may be considered a tax on gamblers or the tracksino gangsters, but to frame this as regular taxpayers chipping in from our own pockets is a fraudulent claim by the casino companies and this newspaper.

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MikeEbigg

Apr-28-13 5:03 PM

And 100 percent of the profits of the tracksinos go to out of state parent companies, so what's the real concern? The owners still feel butthurt over the last legislature and are continuing to use the News Register as their personal PR organ to tell the public that every dollar that doesn't go directly toward their bottom line is unAmerican.

If they don't like the rules, they don't have to play the state's game. But as long as the tracksinos are here, it's because they're netting dollar one. Don't believe anything else they tell you.

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wonderwhy

Apr-28-13 4:37 PM

Pirate Stadium in the burgh. Read the history and enjoy..........

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legal6

Apr-28-13 3:30 PM

So, it's okay that 90% of the money spent on slots, racing etc comes from out of state customers, but that's wv money? The out of state player comes here, but we don't mention that. So come here for our out of state casino owner to make billions who subsequently buy every lobbyist to influence the legislature, but let's list the income of a horse owner who has trouble paying all of his/her employees and expenses every month. Continued great journalism!

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Highland

Apr-28-13 3:07 PM

Mo' money for Earl Ray's family, I see. They've made millions from the greyound breeders' fund - at OUR expense.

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legal6

Apr-28-13 2:50 PM

I'm not talking about donations, "on the record."

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dyingov

Apr-28-13 1:44 PM

Medicare. LOL

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dyingov

Apr-28-13 1:44 PM

Is unemployment and welfare in the same category? The politicians have you thinking SS/Medicaid/Unemployment are welfare....Sheeple!!!

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richardwhee

Apr-28-13 1:05 PM

Look at it this way- We spend money on gambling, and lose most if the time. We spend money on wellfare, food stamps, unemployment etc. Gambling that people will at least try to support theirselves and their kids. But it's a never ending losing battle.

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dyingov

Apr-28-13 12:47 PM

WV Secretary of State web site has all the required political donation reports available to anyone that wants to do the search. When I comment about the donations getters and givers that is the site I research!

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legal6

Apr-28-13 12:19 PM

All purses are derived from bets by customers. For years this paper and it's editor have been on a crusade to kill racing. Some in the "know", know why. It's easy to close these out of state loopholes. Why not an article about how much money leaves the state to the casino owners, like Sims' bosses? The 92 million in purses generates thousands of WV jobs and trickle down economic value. Let's document the billions taken out by the casino owners and an in depth study of their political contributions starting with those quoted in this hit piece.

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Hefner

Apr-28-13 11:50 AM

Fortunate to have Kessler? Think again. I do have high hopes for Rocky Fitzsimmons.

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VincentVega

Apr-28-13 11:40 AM

IS THIS A CRIME?

Throwing away 92 MILLION DOLLARS a year of West Virginia taxpayer's money to non-contributing out-of-state and carpetbagging DOG & HORSE BREEDERS is OUTRAGEOUS! Further defense of this irrational subsidy would be UNCONSCIONABLE! The total has likely exceeded A BILLION DOLLARS. MONEY THAT COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH FOR WEST VIRGINIANS. STOP IT! We are fortunate to have Senators Kessler and Fitzsimmons prepared to STOP IT!

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