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Project Under Scrutiny

Recycling opponents have flood of questions

May 23, 2013

WHEELING — After living in Warwood for the past 77 years, Barbara Bland fears GreenHunter Water’s natural gas frack water recycling plant will harm the community she loves....

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mikeyd

May-24-13 6:39 PM

don't let the name calling bother you herc.it happens on here daily.some people are just bigmouths like that.it doesn't make them look any better even though they think so.most of the name callers aren't worth listening to.

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WVUGEO

May-24-13 11:43 AM

Since this site won't allow posting of addies, simply search for, from May 11, 2013: "Radioactive Fracking Debris Triggers Worries At Dump Sites", and, from January 24, 2013: "Fracking Wastewater Can Be Highly Radioactive".

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HercX007

May-24-13 11:22 AM

Hey CHOKINGSMOKER I never called you or anyone else on here names. Grow up! Stop acting like a ten year-old. And I am only repeating what I was told by someone who worked for the water department. I am also repeating what I was told by people from Chesapeake. Just because I said something you didn't like doesn't mean you can resort to name calling. Get over yourself. Apparently you feel that you yourself are the authority on all things gas and oil industry and water table.

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WVUGEO

May-24-13 10:13 AM

About a year and a half ago, the Ohio State University published a study, "The Economic Value of Shale Natural Gas in Ohio", based in part on data from Pennsylvania, where all of this Shale Gas hoo-hah has been underway for a longer period of time. Their conclusion was, in late 2011, and appears unchanged, that, in very rough sum, take whatever the gas industry is saying about the long-term economic benefits of Shale Gas to the areas in which the drilling is being done, and what is being parroted by the press, and, divide by ten. There, basically, isn't going to be any long-term, or follow-on, economic benefit from Shale Gas, once the drilling is done and the migrant drillers have left.

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mikeyd

May-24-13 9:46 AM

so herc,non of our water comes from the river?i would have to check into that.this stuff when dumped into the river mixes right in.non was surfacing in wellsburg.all we could see was a big brown cloud going into the river while these trucks were unloading[being dumped day and night].we thought it was just muddy water from some pond they were draining at the time.shame on us for being dumb.it will get into your water.

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HercX007

May-24-13 8:42 AM

I was told, a few years ago, that our water resources do not come from the Ohio River. No drinking water supposedly comes from the river. All of the cities water is pumped through pipes underground. Now, if there were a leak of frack water into the ground, our drinking water should be safe. Right? It seems to me that the only concern here is the truck traffic. The Heritage Trail and "neighbors" of Warwood who are just a tad bit jealous that they aren't being offered any financial compensation for being inconvenienced by the truck traffic. Where I live, out in the rural areas, we have truck traffic 24/7. You can't get away from it. There's no more peace and quiet out here in the country. I have a well not more than 100ft. from my house. No one started a campaign for our community. We were told to deal with because your neighbors are selling out and we're here. Nothing you can do about it. Warwood, you are not exempt. Deal with. They're here!

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TerryHoitz

May-24-13 8:27 AM

I just wonder why these same people didn't mind when they built Warwood school 75 feet from a huge amount of chlorine at the water plant. One major leak there could have devastating effects on the children and community.

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 11:47 PM

Carte blanche? I wouldn’t go that far. They should at least obey current laws. A libbie wants to give Big Gas carte blanche? I’ll bet that libbie has some toys in the game. Amazing how fast libbies start thinking like free market capitalists when they own some of the capital. LOL

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atoddh

May-23-13 11:05 PM

This is not sending a positive signal to the gas industry which is the only game left in town folks.Any and all gas related activities should be given carte blanche in Wheeling.

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dyingov

May-23-13 10:27 PM

As the Chinese become better educated they have started to demand more pay....On to the next "slave" country with the manufacturing!

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:43 PM

I know what our unions did for China. Cha-CHING! Hello cheaper Chinese steel, aluminum, machinery, electronics, furniture, apparel, ...

But I’m sure the next strike for even higher wages and even bigger benefits packages will even the score... Derrrrr...

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:18 PM

Right, Choker. Nobody is making or using steel anymore. Or aluminum. Or glass. Or any other product we used to make here before the unions priced our labor out of the market and the Government made it more lucrative for Americans to just stay home and collect unemployment, workers comp, disability, social security, food stamps, ... That’s why we’re only 17 TRILLION in debt now. Because we’re not buying anything industrial. Derrrrrr.....

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 6:31 PM

GEO, I derail your “gas is dangerous” disinformation campaign so you move right on to the “gas really won’t create any jobs” disinformation campaign, and the “shale gas is a Ponzi scam” disinformation campaign. Since jobs are leaving the valley, gas must not create jobs. And do you even know what a Ponzi scam is? The drilling companies are paying property owners, not vice versa. Makes as much sense as your other ridiculous babble. Maybe jobs are leaving the valley because of the high concentration of anti-capitalist, anti-job, anti-free-market types like you here.

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mikeyd

May-23-13 5:52 PM

in wellsburg it had to get into the water supply.one example.

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WVUGEO

May-23-13 4:57 PM

Troll, you still seem to think of this Shale Gas ponzi scheme as a "good thing", so, how do you reconcile it with headlines like "Ohio Valley Continues To Lose Population", while, at the same time, the unemployment rate for counties like Wetzel, where the "boom" has been going on the longest, has gone up? Are only the already-employed departing, leaving the hopelessly unemployed behind? With the shale gas boom, shouldn't, with a reduced population, the number of unemployed have plummeted? Or, are those left behind just hopelessly unemployable, and, all the jobs have to be filled with migrant, non-WV residents? There's some pretty obvious, even glaring, discrepancies and contradictions in what's going on down there, especially in light of the hype about shale gas. Maybe it's actually another kind of gas.

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SpankysLastDance

May-23-13 4:41 PM

Sure, we can sit around and claim that Quacker Steak is putting hazardous materials in their wing sauce, or that Miracle Grow puts into their plant food. But commercial products like those are regulated by the FDA, the EPA etc. Frack water is not. I also make a conscious decision to not use harsh cleaning chemicals in my home. Not just because I don't like the stuff, but because I have a septic system and do not want to cause premature failure of the system nor do I want to inject toxic effluent into the groundwater under my home. I understand why some people are in favour of the facility, I just happen to believe that the location itself is not a good choice. Find another site, not in the middle of a populated area. Respect the residents who do not want it in their back yard.

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 2:00 PM

You can find out what most or all of the chemicals are in most fracked wells here. frackfocus dot org. A very few of them are listed as proprietary. They’re NOT going into your water in any significant amount - certainly no more than the amount of insecticides and pesticides and herbicides and fertilizers and drain cleaners and bleaches and cleansers and pharmaceuticals the greenies put into their storm runoff and sewers and then into the river every day. If they WERE going into the water supply the loons would certainly be able to cite at least one specific example of it. The fact that they aren't citing a single specific example of harm in almost 10 years of fracking here says a lot.

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 1:59 PM

The exact composition of the fracking fluid a company uses is an industrial secret, for the same reason most companies keep the exact compositions of their products secret – much R&D expense goes into determining the right mixture to safely produce the most gas. Do you worry about exactly what chemicals Exxon is putting into the gasoline you use? Goodyear is putting into their tires you drive? Miracle Gro is putting in their fertilizers you put on your vegetable garden? Quaker Steak is putting into their wing sauce you eat? Yet you’re coming into MUCH closer contact with those chemicals on a daily basis than you will with fracking fluid that is pumped a mile underground, then recovered and recycled or disposed of even deeper underground.

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SpankysLastDance

May-23-13 1:23 PM

Troll,I might agree with you if the businesses making the stuff would disclose exactly what is contained in the frack water. I would agree if the science was complete. Yes, there was gas and fuel oil on the site previously, but the pros and cons of gasoline and fuel oil were pretty well researched and the dangers were well known. Can't say the same about frack water. Now,exactly where are the barge loads going to originate? Where are they going to go when they leave Warwood?

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CraigL50

May-23-13 9:35 AM

Wasn't this facility an Oil Service Facility before. What happened when they had an oil spill. Didn't trucks come in and out of the facility before. Seems like you are just re-using the facility for another purpose now. Since it was an oil facility before where they parked their cars and trucks in the gravel parking lots on the site, now make Green Hunter pave the facility. Hmmm. Instead of storing Oil now they are going to re-cycle frack water so it can be re-used instead of making the Ohio County communities water levels go down. Seems like a win-win for Warwood. Oh wait, I didn't make any money off of the natural gas boom, so I don't want anything to do with the industry. Sounds like we have some un-informed people who are jealous.

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:24 AM

So when that maple syrup came out of the maple syrup factory you’d classify it as effluent. Check. Derrrrr...

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WVUGEO

May-23-13 9:21 AM

Troll, you're lapsing into inconsequential nonsense, debating definitions. If it's coming out of a plant or factory, it is, in fact, in the strictest, or even in the loosest, sense, "industrial effluent", no matter where it goes.

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:21 AM

And come on, GEO. You think after the 999th time that truck set off the alarm somebody just said “Hey, wonder what’s in that truck? Better turn him around again...” Seriously?

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:17 AM

WVUGEO "One report, which we haven't yet been able to verify, has it that such has occurred more than 1,000 times. That sounds high to us"

Haven't been able to verify. Impressive support you have there. And it sounds like a faulty alarm to me. But who am I to discount proof like that? Shut 'em all down. Derrrrr....

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TrollSlayer

May-23-13 9:15 AM

Oxford English Dictionary, effluent – “liquid waste or sewage discharged into a river or the sea”

They won’t be discharging fracking flowback into the river. So it’s NOT effluent. Now keep comparing your inflated loosely-documented radium concentration in fracking flowback to the maximum allowed concentration for effluent, so I can keep pointing out that all you have is misinformation, and, as you say, "To keep repeating it is contemptuous."

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