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Board: Lower Game Prices

Attendance dropping for Marshall County school sports events

May 30, 2013

MOUNDSVILLE — Citing decreasing participation in high school and middle school sporting events, members of the Marshall County Board of Education believe lowering ticket prices will encourage more......

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whatchutalkinboutwillis

Jun-02-13 5:15 PM

I guess I didn't mean it to sound like a b I t c h session. Just typing my thoughts. I support JM athletics, just not as a booster. Yes my kids went to BD. they went there because THEY wanted to. Every school has their issues and politics to deal with. JM just has to do it on a much larger scale than BD does.

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dyingov

Jun-02-13 8:47 AM

willis, So you are b i t c h i n g about JM sports and send your kids to BD....

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DinoCrocetti

Jun-01-13 10:08 AM

Talkingabout, So all those geriatric men I saw at JMHS's softball games the past couple years would have come out if they were a .500 team? Fans are fickled no matter where they are, but they want to win and be part of it. .... I think the BOE showed their usual complete ignorance to finances when they suggested a drop to $1-$2 a game, but lower prices for reserve and minor sports may no be a bad idea and an occasional BUCK night at FB and/or BKB games may be interesting. The revenue they leave off the table by not charging those over 65 is a figure I'd like to know.

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whatchutalkinboutwillis

Jun-01-13 7:11 AM

And I don't think the fans are that hungry. If they were, they would support the teams, win or lose!! Talk is cheap, and making the tickets cheaper isn't gonna work. The teams need that income to operate.

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whatchutalkinboutwillis

Jun-01-13 7:08 AM

I think we are in agreement here. That was also the point I was trying to make, that a state championship(s) should not be the benchmark to realize that a coach is quality or not. How many SC'c does Monty have? Some may not like him or some of his quirks, but he puts a quality, competetive product on the field year in and year out. And you can't argue his dedication. JM has not had a truely quality football or basketball team for most of their history. Coach Linsky did the right things (RIP). Basketball had a few good years, but that was pure talent, not coaching. My kds had the option to go there if they wanted, but chose BD instead. In saying that, sports was not a deciding factor in their decision and I am glad they all chose BD. I have heard of the "poli-tricks" involved at JM and witnessed it in action with a few of our friends kids.

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DinoCrocetti

Jun-01-13 1:34 AM

Andy, Billard, I think even even Zatazelo in golf. My point wasn't to criticize those with only one title. My point was how hard one is to get even with a coach like Blankenship who for the most part was ahead of the "game" in the 80's. Every community thinks the "talent" is always there and better coaching will bring it out. As an outsider, I just don't see it in MC, but they could do better and fans are hungry for winners in male team sports.

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whatchutalkinboutwillis

May-31-13 7:41 PM

Name "1" AAA coach in this area that has multiple state championships. I don't think that State championships should be considered as a main qualification to be a top notch coach. Some coaches get more out of their kids, and compete on a regular basis, even if the talent pool isn't top notch. But, it's not just about talent. These kids gotta work at it and most prefer not too. I got one in my house who is physically blessed to be a very good basketball player. But she prefers to not put in the effort to get to that top notch ability. I am not a parent to push her continuously, but I try to offer any aide, whether it be camps or other help. Just doesn't work. I hate that some kids will look back and say, "Man, mom and dad were right!"

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DinoCrocetti

May-31-13 6:16 PM

Sorry for typo. First line should read. GIVE THE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL TEAMS, THE BASEBALL TEAMS EASY SCHEDULE, AND THEY WOULD BE WINNING (OR.500) TEAMS, ALSO

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DinoCrocetti

May-31-13 5:21 PM

Willis, Give the basketball and football program baseball the baseball teams schedule (A,AA)and they'd be winners also. Mr Blankenship was (is) a good coach, but like other long time JM coaches Mr. Montgomery, Mr. Flores, and the late Mr. Linsky,he has only ONE State Championship. It's about players and luck as much as coaching.

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whatchutalkinboutwillis

May-31-13 10:03 AM

The biggest problem with middle school athletics in Marshall County centers around availablility. We do not have any YMCA or youth facility that the kids can hang out at. Not that they would with the way things are anyway. Take east end basketball court for example. NOT A SNIFF of what it used to be like. Most of the youth sports programs are coached by parents of STAR players. JM football was killed by the not-support of the last football coach. Whether is was right for the job or not, he had "0" support from before day 1. Recipe for failure. Basketball has been an underperformer for as long as I can remember. I graduated in '83. Imagine what the boys basketball teams would be like if they would have given the job to Stanley when he wanted it! They would be a perennial top team in the state. JM baseball has a good baseball coach and his record reflects his passion. The girls sports have been highly successful do to the support of the communities.

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DinoCrocetti

May-31-13 9:30 AM

JAV, Here's the problem with your opinion. You obviously wanted to play sports, but types like you are getting fewer and farther between. Most likely you didn't go to the next level for any period of time. WHY? You either lost interest or were just a good high school athlete and knew it. Kids in MC just don't seem to have it..... I'll admit JMHS could do better with their coaching and AD selections but these guys want to WIN. It's where they get their recognition. Look at the non team sports at JMHS over the past 20 years. Not many consistent winners there. Are those guys all bad coaches also? Wrestling probably couldn't have a more marque staff. You can't tell me there are wrestler's walking the halls of JMHS who Mr. Zervos hasn't given every opportunity to participate.

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justanotherview

May-31-13 2:00 AM

No wonder people hate sports now more than ever!

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justanotherview

May-31-13 1:54 AM

Dino, here's the problem with shallow insight. You seem to think that this is a front line easy to see problem. But that is the common error. The fact is is that talent is not always looking at you dead in the eye. Some talent needs to be developed. If you have a freshman who doesn't get a chance, how is he ever going to get better. When I started, I wasn't fast, I wasn't big. But by the time I was a junior, I was a beast. If I didn't have the opportunity to develop, I would have never have gotten there. This is the opportuinity they have missed out on. If you only pull from the students who are matured at the start of their high school career, how many are you missing out on who still have to develop? Or are we taking the easy way out? Isn't that part of the responsibilty of the coaching staff. To develop players and men, even if they don't grow up to be starters. I thought that was the grand plan for all sports. We use to all develop because we all played. Huh!

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richardwhee

May-30-13 7:47 PM

E Miller. I agree with you. Sports do play a large part of education. But it can be overemphised and over spent. When you have a school of 1000+ and the sports budget costs as much or more as the academic, something is wrong. The whole truth of Steubenville H.S. has not or ever will be made public. This is a fine example of priorities.

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EMillerWVU

May-30-13 2:20 PM

RichardWee, athletics can play a big role in a child's education. There is a lot more to life than the "three Rs". Sports teaches lots of life lessons - teamwork, discipline, and how to balance multiple responsibilites. If you take a good look at the kids on these teams, many of them are also the top students in the school as well. They ARE getting an education - much more of one than those who do not participate in extra-curricular activities (band, drama, etc included). We need to provide the best of both worlds for all of them.

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richardwhee

May-30-13 12:58 PM

Thats odd! I thought the kids went to school to get an education. That was also a confession- Now we tax payers know where PART of our money is going. And they keep demanding MORE.

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DinoCrocetti

May-30-13 11:43 AM

An adult paying $5 for anything except varsity football and basketball is argumentably financially ridiculous and counter productive, but besides producing more winning teams, the main lost of revenue isn't even mention in this article or by any of the "expert's" comments. CHARGE THE SENIOR CITIZENS AGAIN. 50% of the attendees at some events are over 65.....Oh, and the "BOOSTER and playing favorites" argument is old hat. I challenge anyone to name me 5 basketball, baseball, or football players in the past 3 years who were PREMIER athletes who didn't play. Your relative's names aren't permitted. I will give you credit for those who prefer to go to SINGLE A schools and play, but not playing at ALL. I don't think so. GREAT ATHLETES want to compete, marginal ones along with their parents want to make excuses.

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Mountaineer4life

May-30-13 11:30 AM

Lowering the prices to attend is not the answer! The answer is for these coaches who have been around for years to retire. Truth is the kids ARE going to other schools (Bibey-Park/Central & Harler Central). These boys would love to have played at JM but they chose to go elsewhere not because of the education but because of sports and I for one don't blame them. Football is heading in the right direction but boys basketball needs a chance. Nice guy but the kids don't relate to him. Middle school athletics need to be looked at BIG TIME!! JM is a great school (one only a few in the state who's test score are ABOVE the national average). All schools have their problems. The COACHES, not the board, need to do the right thing for our community and step aside and let the new generation take over these programs.

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EMillerWVU

May-30-13 11:10 AM

Dying OV: We can "field" better teams by providing better coaches and athletic experiences for our kids. Marshall County kids are choosing other schools based strictly on athletics. So yes, we do need to “recruit” those who belong to us anyway! The bottom line is the kids at JM who do go out for a sport are not being coached – at all. These kids are not horrible athletes. They are not lazy. In fact, many of them are pretty good and are stuck in the brown and gold mud. They need coaches that know what they are doing and love what they are doing. They need to be inspired. It’s not happening. Football seems like it might be headed in the right direction, but if something isn’t done about all of the other programs soon, JM will continue to be the Senior Night opponent of every other school around.

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boomgrounder

May-30-13 10:52 AM

That would be a start to lower prices. You guys got a lot of work to do. WIN GAMES will get more audience. FAVORTISM WITH KIDS WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. This parent does more so their kid plays, but he can't play worth sh@@. That's why a lot of kids don't play any more, they go to practice after practice, sit bench and don't even get in a game. I saw it when my son played. I listened to the parents complain that their kids go to every practice and don't even play. So that's why you have kids declining to play.

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EMillerWVU

May-30-13 10:31 AM

There are so many problems with this article I don’t even know where to start, but the bottom line is John Marshall needs to put a product on the field/court that people want to see - build it and they will come. That will not happen until the administration takes athletics and coaching assignments seriously, starting in middle school. No one works together. There are too many coaches at JM who are driving the kids away in droves - they are doing nothing but damage to the program and to the kids. I’m sure there is some kind of teacher’s union crap that prohibits getting rid of them, but why is JM the only school around here that seems to be infested with this problem? These coaches refuse to look in the mirror and acknowledge that they could even be PART of the problem, let alone THE problem. There ARE lots of good athletes sitting in the stands, and a lot of other ones who are suited up for other schools. Most of the JM coaches couldn’t care less – they blame the kids and par

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dyingov

May-30-13 9:35 AM

mc2011 and Blackrock are very correct.

For those who think that "fielding" a better team would bring more fans to the games....How do you propose to "field" a better team? HS recruiting????

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nicetry

May-30-13 9:24 AM

Put a team worth watching on the field and the people will attend. The only people showing up are the moms and dads of the players. There is more revenue from the visiting team than the hosting team. Sad very sad.

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takemetoEmstar

May-30-13 8:41 AM

Honest to GOD... these stupid ideas that get floated by people that don't have a clue. $3-$5 is not stopping people from coming to games these are the same people that have $200 smart phones and HD tv's . if the product is good and atmosphere is good the folks will come out and watch. good comments from Duckworth. he knows what is takes to run the athletic organization. i say have fred pony up the $$ to run things if he wants to cut the gate!!

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mikeyd

May-30-13 8:40 AM

all of these football teams should be doing well.isn't there a coach for just about each player?

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