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Another Glitch In Health Overhaul

Low-wage workers may find coverage out of reach

June 13, 2013

WASHINGTON — It’s called the Affordable Care Act, but President Barack Obama’s health care law may turn out to be unaffordable for many low-wage workers, including employees at big chain restaurants......

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Jun-17-13 2:52 PM

uglydude, well we agree on one thing!

But I do NOT agree on regulation, what we need is LESS regulation.

Regulation is the problem NOW, a handful of insurance companies OWN each state as "Government Approved" providers.

Each state is different.

We should let virtually every insurance company to compete in EVERY state and the competition will drive the prices down.

But I DO agree the government needs to HELP with the PRE-EXISTING condition crowd because NO insurance company wants that big money loser.

So put together a POOL of insurance companies and take $25 BILLION of the of $140 BILLION of Stimulus that was NOT spent and use it to subsidize the LOSS for the companies in the Pool.

Work WITH the insurance companies, not AGAINST them.

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Jun-17-13 1:24 PM


How do you regulate a business to provide a service at s specific profit margin when that business's investors have the option of taking their money out of the business and investing their money in another business venture that would provide a larger profit margin?

If more money is to be made elsewhere, the investments will follow, and the "believers" will get their single-payer (think taxpayer funded) healthcare plan.

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Jun-17-13 1:22 AM

oh I'm sure it's going to be a mess Wraith.Simple solution..regulate the health insurance industry. make them offer a fair service for a fair price while still allowing them to make a fair profit. I know nobody like the word regulate but it sure would be a lot better than this mess will be unless your the CEO of a health insurance company. many health insurance providers go bankrupt a year? Insurance has always been rigged by the provider so that they make hundreds of billions in profits. I don't mind paying I just hate paying for nothing. Just force them to put a % of the profit back into services. Instead we get this mess because all of the politicians are on the take and regulating the health insurance industry will never happen. In my opinion it's the right thing to do. of course opinions are like A holes. we all have one and they all stink to some one.

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Jun-16-13 2:54 PM

sad for American's not to care for each other and only themselves ? whoa there. If you hold your wallet out long enough, it will be taken and no "Thank You " note will be in the mail.

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Jun-16-13 2:51 PM

shazam. how about health care only be available to those over age 45 ? That way, the truly you know, will---- you know.

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Jun-16-13 2:48 PM

Most of these folks will be covered by Medicaid at little or no cost to them going forward. that is the key. Abolish Medicaid and you eliminate much of the problem.

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Jun-16-13 2:44 PM

all men are not created equal. They have similar physical recognition early on. The life looks them in the eye.

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Jun-16-13 2:41 PM

Finally,getting sick sounds pleasurable.

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Jun-15-13 8:46 PM

wonderwhy: You have to be a democrat operative, no free-thinking person could harbor your beliefs. However it is possible that you could be an easily manipulated person who believes every feel-good bit of propaganda that your are fed. In any event your commentary is devoid of any value.

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Jun-15-13 1:43 PM

great many of you need to read or re-read the laws of this. if your only goal in life it doom and sorry.

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Jun-15-13 1:42 PM

so so much hot air being blow. sad for American's not to care for each other and only themselves.

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Jun-15-13 11:16 AM

uglyass, the IRS sets the cost of insurance for a family of 4 at $20,000.

That is what the FINE is going to be if you DON'T buy insurance.

So how "affordable" is the Affordable Care Act?

Can't afford, now you just don't have care.

Can't afford it under Obamascare, you go to JAIL!

That's Improvement??

Dems are bailing on this turkey in an election year like the Passengers on the Titanic.

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Jun-15-13 12:35 AM

the current system... Can't afford a lawyer..the court will provide you with one. can't afford a doctor...your screwed. the bad part is the people who get screwed are hard working private payers that buy their health care on the open market. We are taxed to cover every all of the dead beats and pay for all of the public employees and politicians plans while we struggle to meet premiums that that are out are unreal with deductibles so high we never use it. it's basically so ?? the bills are paid when you die and they can't put liens on your property?? My life insurance will take care of that. Screw them..until they come up with a better deal I quit. Some one else can carry the dead beats.

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Jun-15-13 12:35 AM

@wonderwhyyouranidiot. It's called freedom of speech you moron. Just because you love our worthless president doesn't mean I have to. You are also brilliant because you end your posts with your wonderwhy every time. On my worse day of my life I will be smarter than you because I never voted for the moron either time. He is putting our country in a shambles and you like him. Doesn't say a good thing for you. Oh and by the way, I don't like you either. Anyone who supports someone that is ruining our country is not for me. He is a crook, con man and a liar.

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Jun-14-13 10:10 PM

The folks not included in Medicare and Medicaid will receive subsidies for private insurance based on income; correct. This still puts the Feds is control of pricing. A national system will soon follow. The days of big hospital executive salaries are over. The doctors will go for salaries vs fees.

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Jun-14-13 9:49 PM


0 for 3 on just one post! Just pack it in!

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Jun-14-13 9:46 PM

"Finally, all Americans will have the opportunity to have health care. "

"the CBO projects that under Obamacare over the next decade, the number of uninsured will never fall below 30 million. Here are the year-by-year projections from the report:

2013 - 55,000,000

2014 - 44,000,000

2015 - 37,000,000

2016 - 31,000,000

2017 - 30,000,000

2018 - 30,000,000

2019 - 30,000,000

2020 - 30,000,000

2021 - 31,000,000

2022 - 31,000,000

2023 - 31,000,000

Google "Table 1. CBO's May 2013 Estimate of the Effects of the Affordable Care Act on Health Insurance Coverage"

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Jun-14-13 9:27 PM

More from Open Secrets - Lawyers & Lobbyists: Top Recipients

1 Obama, Barack (D) $27,984,217

2 Romney, Mitt (R) $15,814,511

3 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $2,573,230

4 Kaine, Tim (D-VA) $2,333,541

5 McCaskill, Claire (D-MO) Senate $2,296,436

6 Nelson, Bill (D-FL) Senate $2,272,938

7 Warren, Elizabeth (D-MA) $2,249,430

8 Brown, Sherrod (D-OH) Senate $1,830,290

9 Tester, Jon (D-MT) Senate $1,721,818

10 Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) Senate $1,627,852

ONE Repub in the top ten!!!

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Jun-14-13 9:23 PM

"Starts with Insurance companies, and big Pharma. They lobby, (Mitch McConnell got the most from both)."

From Open Secretsdot org. Health: Top Recipients;

1 Obama, Barack (D) $18,933,522

2 Romney, Mitt (R) $18,759,333

3 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $1,446,172

4 Brown, Scott (R-MA) Senate $1,306,213

5 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $1,248,682

6 Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) Senate $1,236,222

7 Perry, Rick (R) $1,234,032

8 Paul, Ron (R) House $1,080,625

9 Nelson, Bill (D-FL) Senate $1,005,107 10 Boustany, Charles W Jr (R-LA) House $967,250

McConnell is not even in the Top Ten!!

R's did get 55% to 45% edge in contributions in the 2012 cycle but D's held an edge the previous 2 elections. McConnell is not even the top recipient in the Senate w/ two Dems and two Rep's in front of him!

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Jun-14-13 9:08 PM

"Considering the USA is ranked 37 in health care, clearly we have a problem"

From FactCheckdotorg, "The No. 37 figure comes from a 2000 World Health Organization report that attempted to grade nations’ health care according to five factors and assign an overall ranking to each. One problem is that the report is nine years old (actually 13 now) and hasn’t been updated since",

"Bialik quotes the editor in chief of the report, Philip Musgrove, as saying that the figures that resulted from these assumptions are "so many made-up numbers." Musgrove, deputy editor of Health Affairs, calls the end result "nonsense ranking" and the very attempt to rank health care systems "a fool’s errand."

Fool's errand indeed!!

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Jun-14-13 8:42 PM

yes: The Feds will have enormous control of pricing going forward via Medicare and Medicaid. They will dictate rates. The providers will have to settle for less. The public not included will demand a public system soon; as we should have.

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Jun-14-13 7:28 PM

Arizona will expand Medicaid to cover nearly 300,000 poor residents next year after a bipartisan coalition passed a measure backed by Gov. Jan Brewer (R) through the state legislature on Thursday.

Brewer, a conservative and avowed foe of President Barack Obama's health care reform law, announced her support for the Medicaid expansion in January, but faced stiff resistance from fellow Republicans in Arizona's House and Senate. During a marathon session that began Wednesday afternoon and stretched into the wee hours of Thursday morning before culminating in a final vote late Thursday afternoon, a handful of Republicans joined Democrats in the House and Senate to pass the Medicaid expansion.

Although Obama's health care law continues to divide elected officials and the public along starkly partisan lines, Brewer is one of nine Republican governors who have bucked their party and embraced the Medicaid expansion.

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Jun-14-13 4:47 PM

Wonerliar, All men are CREATED equal.

That does NOT mean that attain equal results.

Or Earn or Afford equal health care.

Should every man be enttitled to a reliable car? 3 square meal a day

All HONORABLE causes but as the Bible says " Those who do not work, do not eat"

You know, that book that you and other witches burn under your cauldron.

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Jun-14-13 4:25 PM

bud: They can get Medicaid free now. It is income based and very liberal.

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Jun-14-13 4:24 PM

Most of these folks will be covered by Medicaid at little or no cost to them going forward.

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