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Natural Gas Liquids To Gulf Coast

June 16, 2013

MOUNDSVILLE — The possibility of an ethane cracker plant in West Virginia appears to be dwindling as more natural gas liquids soon will be piped to the Gulf Coast....

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BigMike

Jun-17-13 11:28 PM

Using WVUGEO's data source the #1 employer in WV is WALMART.

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TrollSlayer

Jun-17-13 9:23 PM

WVEXPAT, I don’t understand why you’re arguing with WVUGEO. He’s a GEO from WVU, after all, so he should know all about how much gas there really is down there.

Same for you CONSOL, Chevron, Chesapeake, Phillips, Range Resources, Trans Energy, and the rest of you multi-BILLION dollar companies. You may as well lay off all those hundreds of busy, current geologists and save yourself the BILLION$ your spending on leases, drilling, and pipelines. Because WVUGEO says there isn’t really very much gas down there. No matter how much those wells are gushing right now. Seriously. Nothing significant there. GEO knows.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 9:13 PM

WVU, You may be interested in a study from Marshall University,Center for Business and Economic Research titled "Value Added Opportunities from Natural Gas". Maybe a few "pie in the sky" ideas, but interesting nonetheless.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 6:11 PM

And there's probably a case to be made for companies like #90 Cecil Walker Machinery (heavy equipment) that have benefited from the gas industry. As have many banks, retail operations etc. such as mentioned in Times Reporter post. I'm not saying the industry is the be all/end all for the state but certainly a big plus. And certainly the posts showing the impact on neighboring counties (albeit another state) proves that local benefit.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 6:06 PM

"NO companies associated in any way with the shale gas industry."

From A WOWK REPORT, "According to WorkForce West Virginia, the 10 largest employers had a total of 1,818 more employees than the top 10 employers of 2011.

"Nearly one-half of employers on the top 100 list climbed in rank, while just over one-third of businesses descended in rank," a news release from WorkForce West Virginia state. "The ranking of 12 employers was unchanged from last year, while seven employers not present on last year's top 100 made an appearance on this year's list."

Those seven new employers include Price Gregory Inc., a Houston-based company that provides infrastructure services with focus on pipeline construction and related services. Price Gregory came in at No. 58 on this year's list, making it the company with the biggest gain in position between 2011 and 2012."

Also, Dominion Transmission (gas transmission), Inc. was #39 and climbing.

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BigMike

Jun-17-13 3:56 PM

Score at the end of 1: WVExpat 3, WVUGEO 0

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mikeyd

Jun-17-13 9:56 AM

in five more years all of this will be over.take the gas and move on.one day they will classify alcohol and prescription pills as drugs and there won't be anybody working.

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WVUGEO

Jun-17-13 9:28 AM

The latest data from "Work Force West Virginia" we could find related directly to the topic of West Virginians actually employed and whom they were employed by was from March, 2012. Among their tabulation of "The 100 Largest Private Employers In West Virginia", there were, insofar as we were able to determine, NO companies associated in any way with the shale gas industry. You are being misled as to the financial and employment benefits of shale gas. It is a dreadfully limited resource with little real potential for meaningful and sustainable economic benefit locally.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 7:27 AM

"Nearly 32 percent report that they have signed a drilling lease or that someone in their family has done so." And certainly WV has done fairly well. From the Charleston Daily Mail Tuesday February 12, 2013 W.Va. gas, oil extraction jobs seeing increase in wages. "CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The number of oil and gas extraction jobs in West Virginia is up significantly, and the jobs are paying more than they used to, according to a WorkForce West Virginia report. The number of oil and gas extraction jobs in West Virginia grew by 9.5 percent from 2008 to 2011, said Jeffrey Green, director of research, information and analysis for WorkForce West Virginia. Those workers are making an average $8,100 more than they did in 2008, bumping the average annual wages to $70,082. The reason is simple, Green told lawmakers Monday: the recent push for natural gas, particularly from Marcellus Shale." I'm not how how those numbers stack up to expectations, but they're pretty solid.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 7:26 AM

From the Times Reporter article "Sales tax from oil and gas boom boosts economies", "The news is even better in Harrison County. Its sales-tax receipts in January more than doubled during the same time period in 2012, going from $188,000 in 2012 to $437,000 in 2013. “It’s a heck of an increase,” county Auditor Patrick Moore said. “That’s what shocked me.” Counties throughout the Utica and Marcellus shale reservoirs in Ohio have experienced similar increases. A study released in March by Cleveland State University found that what it described as “strong shale counties” saw a 21.1 percent increase in total sales activity in 2012 ($14.9 billion) as compared to 2011 ($12.3 billion). So economic activity is up over $2.5 Billion in the East Ohio region w/ corresponding sales tax increases.

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WVEXPAT

Jun-17-13 7:25 AM

Certainly the areas to the East and West of the OV are doing well. Hundreds of thousands of new footage in office space, hundreds of new homes and sales booming. From Pittsburgh Today, "Among residents in all 32 counties surveyed, more than 70 percent are of the opinion that extracting natural gas from the Marcellus Shale offers a significant or moderate economic opportunity for the region. Only 10 percent believe it has very little or no economic potential. Those who live in Washington County express even greater faith in the economic potential of the extensive drilling activities developed in their communities in recent years. More than 76 percent of residents view the Marcellus Shale operations as a significant or moderate economic opportunity. Washington County residents are also more likely to have experienced the financial benefits of drilling themselves or have seen members of their family benefit from natural gas drilling."

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MikeEbigg

Jun-16-13 11:09 PM

Add cracker to the list of coal to fuel, corn to fuel, trash to fuel, outlet malls, and amusement parks.

If I am a director of a company like Chevron or Exxon and see the reaction to a smalltime operation like Greenhunter, I would move on without a second glance.

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BigMike

Jun-16-13 11:07 PM

WVUGEO: Why did you choose severance tax receipts to deduce production data? Production data is available on the net, but, perhaps it didn't conform to your narrative? You are right about one thing there hasn't been a steady increase in gas production, the increases in gas production in WV in the last few years can be characterized as exponential! Methinks your lack of objectivity is showing

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mikeyd

Jun-16-13 9:45 PM

and if you would test for alcohol,you wouldn't get those three.

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Triton

Jun-16-13 9:02 PM

I cannot imagine stockholders anywhere wanting to count much on WV for more than the resources. The idea that jobs are being lost here is just someone's fantasy. Those who can work are working, those who would rather do meth three days a week and maybe work a little is the norm. There is not much of a workforce here to tap into, sorry but thats sadly true. We would not have the billboards asking people to stop doing drugs so they can pass a drug test if it was not a huge problem. But if you have money to invest in the energy aftermarket would you bring it to WV or Wheeling? Why would you do that? Ask Greenhunter or Sledd if this is a good place to have a business, if local gov is receptive? A generation of not in my backyard bred a generation of young people who cannot work, would rather not. The struggle to find local workers for the Highlands is a sad story and exposes the lack of workers available here. Say drug test and you will have three people to fill ten jobs.

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atoddh

Jun-16-13 8:25 PM

geo: There are just a few wells in production now in WV with wet gas. The Ohio County ones thus far are extraordinary.60 are anticipated. They have to pipe out the liquids until a local cracker is planned and built. That may require upwards of five years. The thinking probably is: by the time a cracker is built regional production will justify it. Keep in mind the wells have to be developed and the connecting lines installed to them. There should be enough production to justify a regional cracker based on the current samples.

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daWraith

Jun-16-13 7:16 PM

Of course. The plants and the expertise are already THERE, no HERE.

Suppose you are Shell or Chevron, would you want a plant located where the plants and EXPERTISE already ARE, or one in Podunk with Billy Bob sleeping at the controls at 2 AM in the morning of a shiny $2 Billion cracker plant.

Duh!

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dyingov

Jun-16-13 7:16 PM

wvogeo, Could the problem be no infrastructure in place to get the gas to market?

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UNCOMMONSENSE

Jun-16-13 4:59 PM

The "jobs" carrot has lost it's shine now that people see that nearly ALL the jobs are STILL going to out of state fly by night gypsies (Just as I predicted)

Illegal Mexicans, drug users, drunks, felons, child molestors, rapists, tax dodgers, unlicensed, uninsured, you name it they got em and law enforcement and county commissioners REFUSE to do a THING about it!!!

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Hefner

Jun-16-13 4:06 PM

Ranger and Wwvgeo have hit the nail on the head.A company CEO would be strung up by his testiciles if he located inWV.

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WVUGEO

Jun-16-13 2:25 PM

Maybe we're misreading the data provided by the West Virginia State Treasurer’s Office, but, oil and gas severance tax revenue paid to WV, which isn't really all that much in the grand scheme of things to begin with, was down by about a million bucks in 2012, relative to 2009; although both years were a good bit higher than 2010 and 2011. No data yet on how it's going this year. If shale gas really is such a big deal, if there really is a "boom", why hasn't there been a steady increase? It may be that the processing companies, whoever would run an ethane cracker, realize the gas is already beginning to run out, and it's just cheaper to pipe a smaller amount of gas to the main pipelines, and then on to already-built crackers and refineries on the Gulf, than it would be to build a new cracker here.

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mkhunt

Jun-16-13 1:05 PM

1. the gas is going to China and China is building up its military and expanding south of the US border including a new canal through Nicaragua.2. if you want to see sHell in action look online. our site for Liberty and Justice WV has several links. 3. the cost has already been overwhelming here..why are people letting this happen!

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Ragnar

Jun-16-13 12:45 PM

Out of control tort lawyers, corrupt, one-party, good ole boy political rule, crumbling infrastructure, massive d r u g use, militant labor unions, 50% of the state on some form of government health care and a lazy, you-owe-me work ethic and West Virginia is a good place to do business?

Try Virginia, pal.

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dyingov

Jun-16-13 11:58 AM

POTTER TWP, Pa. — "Shell Oil Co.’s decision on whether or not to build its $2.5 billion ethane cracker plant in Potter Township, Pa. may be pushed to 2014."

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atoddh

Jun-16-13 12:20 AM

The lack of progress by Shell may work to the advantage of WV.

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