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Coal May Have More Friends Now

June 29, 2013

Voters in states such as West Virginia and Ohio won’t put up with excuses from the U.S. Senate this time aroun....

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BigMike

Jun-30-13 3:18 PM

WVUGEO: "Remarkably, we note that someone clicked "disagree" on our post way below stating, and documenting the fact, that the Navy had developed a whole suite of technologies for converting CO2 into liquid."

If I had read your posting sooner, I would have also disagreed. Generally you seem to be reasonably intelligent. Why then don't you acknowledge that 1) A patent does not signify practical application 2) The military is a government entity and does not need to compete with the private sector. 3) In fact this may be a feel-good project for PR purposes to influence the greenies in Congress. After all the taxpayers are funding this project, however the taxpayers aren't paying your electric bill, are they?

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TrollSlayer

Jun-30-13 10:06 AM

WVUGEO "Remarkably, we note that someone clicked "disagree" on our post"

Maybe they don't like the smell of snake oil...

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mikeyd

Jun-30-13 8:31 AM

nuclear waste you'll never get rid of.it gets buried deep underground with the hopes that it'll disappear.

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daWraith

Jun-30-13 8:01 AM

EGO get it through you head nobody gives a rats a&& about your stupid patent numbers.

If they were ENERGY EFFICIENT or COST EFFECTIVE they would already be a commercial success.

With natural gas supply HUGE,demand less, the price of NG is in the TOILET.

So FAGHEDABOUTIT for any alternatives that are massively more expensive.

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tdolan

Jun-29-13 10:55 PM

I noticed that some people think its a new idea or we should use the coal to gas tech. We did have it right here in the valley it was located just between Moundsville and New Martinsville and as soon as govt subs ran out they closed the plant stripped all the stainless steel piping out of it and let it rot so it must not have been cheaper to do that than to use crude to make gasoline

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 8:25 PM

Remarkably, we note that someone clicked "disagree" on our post way below stating, and documenting the fact, that the Navy had developed a whole suite of technologies for converting CO2 into liquid hydrocarbon fuels. If they aren't, then, why are they developing stuff like: "United States Patent 8,313,557 - Recovery of CO2 from Seawater; November 20, 2012; Inventors: Heather Willauer, et. al., VA and MD; Assignee: The United States of America as Represented by the Secretary of the Navy; Abstract: The present invention is generally directed to a system for recovering CO2 from seawater"? What do you suppose they want to do with that CO2 recovered from seawater? Carbonate the Admiral's martini? You need to wake up and open your eyes - and, your mind.

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 8:07 PM

WVEXPAT: Actually, Sasol, the folks in South Africa who have been converting Coal into Gasoline and Diesel at multiple facilities for the past half century were prepared to get involved in at least one Coal conversion project in the US, and weren't asking for anything in the way of financial help. But, too many regs suddenly got put in their way. Don't know if they're involved in China. Folks need to understand that Big Oil simply does not want it, and, will work against it. We had four Coal conversion facilities up and running across the country after WWII, using captured German tech. They all got shut down. For quite a while, Eastman was converting Coal into Methanol in Tennessee quite profitably. ExxonMobil has a tech called "MTG"(r) which is specifically intended to convert Methanol made from Coal into gasoline. And, by reports, they are in China helping to build out the technology there. There are companies who can do it on their own, as long as road blocks aren't thro

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WVEXPAT

Jun-29-13 7:49 PM

Combine tdolan & wvugeo posts and you have a great point! Instead of Obama giving so much of our taxpayer $ to green failures like Solyndra, maybe it would have been better invested in some of WVU's ideas. Of course, I'd prefer none of our tax $ going to either, but just sayin!

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Triton

Jun-29-13 7:06 PM

So now we see people who wept and wailed about coal now using coal as an excuse to shut down natural gas extraction. Some years back I belonged to the Sierra club because I fish and desired clean water. In those days you would pull up to the meetings in Morgantown amongst the most monstrous gas guzzling SUVs made in Japan (mostly)and then go to a meeting and listen to people wail about coal...and when there was natural gas everywhere. But now there is natural gas and are we really going to hear (WVUGEO) talk about the good old days of coal. Wind trubines kill birds, totally clean hyrdo harms carp, gas ruins the air, oil is used in cars (and SUVs too)so perhaps we will do what the President wants. His view of clean energy is nuke. And holy cow, in non coal areas the Sierra Club protested nuke. Probably an answer somewhere but don't look for one from people who call themselves enviros. They only have stylish causes, no answers.

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daWraith

Jun-29-13 6:13 PM

--Senators--

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daWraith

Jun-29-13 6:13 PM

6 senior Democratic Senates have announced they don't have the bawlz to face their voters in 2014.

GOP takes Senate 2014.

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dyingov

Jun-29-13 1:53 PM

Sounder, Maybe you should read the "history" of coal and then comment! Back at the turn of the Century coal miners owed the company money on "pay" day!

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sounder

Jun-29-13 11:03 AM

So tell me; if Coal is such a valuable, desirable resource then why do the areas, especially in the Appalachian region of he country, look like that good news never got to the people who work in the mines. The people, like some of my Ohio relatives, who once worked or have sons working at several mining sites; few of them would have their children even comtemplate looking for work with coal--get an education, at least gain the possibilty of a better life. Where can it be shown that small towns, whose mainstay is mining are any prized examples of good things to write about?

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 10:08 AM

Speaking of pollution, Cornell University Professor Robert Howarth, and some Cornell colleagues, and others, have shown that Methane, a much, much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, leaking from fracked shale gas fields (the University of Colorado showed that Methane leaking into the atmosphere from fracked fields can be at least, again - at least - as much as 20 percent of the gas produced), will result in climatic effects far greater than any conceivable greenhouse effects caused by CO2 arising from Coal-based power generation.

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dyingov

Jun-29-13 9:50 AM

hoopie, better start walking!

"Transportation is the largest single source of air pollution in the United States. It caused over half of the carbon monoxide, over a third of the nitrogen oxides, and almost a quarter of the hydrocarbons in our atmosphere in 2010."

Maybe the answer is wind, solar and walking power! How many of you would like windmills and solar panels in your yard?

Do some research and see how long it takes to get your ROI for a simple solar water heating system. How much do you think it costs initially for the solar system to heat your water?

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 9:48 AM

Ditto, mikeyd; but, the Coal isn't dredging up Radium like the shale gas is. Now, THAT is a pollutant people should be concerning themselves with. It will, through your damaged chromosomes, inflict disease and disability on your grandchildren, even if they're born and raised in a pristine Garden of Eden.

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mikeyd

Jun-29-13 9:41 AM

acoustic,same with the gas companies.

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wvhoopie

Jun-29-13 9:28 AM

The war is on pollution. What causes one third of all air pollution? Coal burning plants. Reversing the causes of cancer and COPD is greater than a black rock and its profit. Healthy lives is far more important than a dirty black rock that causes cancer and other serious health issues.

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 9:14 AM

Even further, under contract DE-AC02-05CH11231, the University of California has been developing catalysts for the US Department of Energy which, in essence, strip Oxygen from both Water, H2O, and Carbon Dioxide, CO2, and, then, chemically recombine the resulting Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide to form various hydrocarbon fuels. Trying to beat up on Coal because of CO2 emissions is now an exercise in fraud and duplicity.

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acousticportal

Jun-29-13 9:12 AM

You would think that clean air and safe working conditions would be high priority for coal miners..but nope, they're content to make the owners rich, work in less than safe standards, and pollute the water they're families drink and air they breathe...hey..it's a free country.

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 9:04 AM

Concerning our post asserting that our US Navy knows how to reclaim and recycle Carbon Dioxide, we think the latest documentation of that is accessible in "United States Patent 8,436,457 - Synthesis of Hydrocarbons Via Catalytic Reduction of CO2", which was awarded just this past May 7, 2013; with ownership officially assigned to "The United States of America, as represented by the Secretary of the Navy". It is disclosure of a process whereby Carbon Dioxide is converted into various liquid hydrocarbon fuels; and, it is only the latest of a sequence, a string, of such US Navy-published CO2 recycling technologies dating back at least to 2008.

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tdolan

Jun-29-13 9:00 AM

When you can figure out a way to get rid of nuclear waste let me know, Presently the waste is being stored on site the billions spent om Yuca mountain have been a waste talk about leaving next gens with a problem start there for the 1/2 life is thousands of years and look to Japan which all used to point to and say hey they have done it why not us? Maybe we should build more of them by fault lines here to. You have to think of the flip side when making the rules. I would rather leave next gens CO2 that plants and trees can make oxygen out of than spent fuel rods.

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tdolan

Jun-29-13 8:54 AM

We knew at elections that he had a war on coal, Why does this seem a surprise now? We have lost billions of dollars giving OUR money to Companies like Solindra and many others,and watched it go down the drain. When we shut down coal fired plants here the jobs go to cheaper fuels (China) and others where they have been building dirty power plants at the rate of 1-2 per week and then the co2 levels go up and jobs go there. We have spent tons of money making our plants cleaner and all electric users pay that for it's passed on to the consumer.That money is going to be thrown down the drain. Can anyone tell me why windmills dont have to follow rules others do? We have wiped out thousands of bats,bald eagles, and many other creatures with these wind farms and no one seems to care about that but you go kill a bald eagle see what happens to you. We have to be smarter about this and that meens look at voting records and get rid of the fools that think this is the answer.

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WVUGEO

Jun-29-13 8:09 AM

Further, and in fact, the potentials for recycling Carbon Dioxide are so real, that, our US Government, just this past June 11, 2013, awarded: "United States Patent 8,461,215 - Rendering Coal As An Environmentally Carbon Dioxide Neutral Fuel And A Regenerative Carbon Source" to the University of Southern California, out in Los Angeles, for establishing a technology that recovers the CO2 in Coal-fired power plant exhaust and converts it into stuff like the fuel alcohol, Methanol.

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mikeyd

Jun-29-13 7:51 AM

and obama's friends shall all be voted out in 2014.everybody young and old will be paying close attention.we have too much bad government.he is the leader of it all.

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