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No Insurance? Who Will Know?

Without employers’ help, there’s no easy way to tell

July 17, 2013

WASHINGTON — There’s a bit of a domino effect undercutting President Barack Obama’s health care law....

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WVEXPAT

Jul-18-13 8:40 PM

Yes, whgfeeling all those Democrats who claimed WMD and voted near unanimously for Homeland Security must really disappoint you!!

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daWraith

Jul-18-13 1:07 PM

whgfleeing, you are delirious. The topic is Health Care Epic FAIL, not Iraq War.

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anutterview

Jul-18-13 11:53 AM

Politicians have learned that the majority of the voters have very short memories, and that if the voters are told that they would be worse off if someone else was in charge, they will be re-elected.

What's the old saying "Better the enemy that you have that the unknown that may take his place."

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anutterview

Jul-18-13 11:49 AM

Those waiting for the government to provide for their every need will soon learn that the government thinks that they don't "need" as much as they hoped for.

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anutterview

Jul-18-13 11:34 AM

feeling

Someone should have told you and Mr. Obama that there is no such thing as "free healthcare", or any other service, for that matter.

Until you are willing to go to medical school and build all of the medical devices required to provide health care someone has to pay for these things.

"Free healthcare" is just a "happy thought" for those still living with their 60s rose-colored glasses, thinking that they deserve to have someone else work to provide their every need; "like mommy and daddy did" when they were living in the innocent child-like world of youth.

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whgfeeling

Jul-18-13 11:24 AM

lets hear how many lost lives in a war started based on lies or a war he failed at? how much money was blown? how many freedoms did we lose with homeland security and how much spent to spy on us? and youw ant to complain about someone trying to give free health to americans?shame.

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whgfeeling

Jul-18-13 11:22 AM

how come I don't hear anyone yelling about losing their freedom from George's homeland security act or Ronald's gun bans or his huge loss on the war on drugs program which costs America how much in filed attemps?

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daWraith

Jul-18-13 8:27 AM

Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle Of Democracy (1770)

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.

Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia, Podunk Bullshat Artist RuinedReputation!

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dyingov

Jul-17-13 11:51 PM

How long has the US been a Democracy (Constitutional Republic)? Some hints: When was slavery abolished? When did we allow woman to have a vote?

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RockEReputation

Jul-17-13 10:50 PM

daWraith Jul-17-13 8:48 PM Agree | Disagree

RottenReputation:"

Alexander Tyler????

There was a Scottish-born historian named Alexander Tytler (with an extra “t” in the last name) who lived around the time of the cited quote. Unfortunately, it seems that there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he made such remarks about the fall of the Athenian Democracy....

Mr. wraifferbait t numbnutz

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daWraith

Jul-17-13 8:48 PM

RottenReputation:

"A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.

It can only exist until voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship."

Alexander Tyler, "The Cycle of Democrary" printed in (gasp) 1787!!!!!!

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SpankysLastDance

Jul-17-13 7:57 PM

"Without employers validating who's covered, a scofflaw could lie, and the government would have no easy way to check". Scofflaw, another bit to add to my repertoire. It will interact nicely with the other gigs that the government has tasked me to fill including terrorist, racist and veteran. Thanks Uncle Sammy!!! Soon they will be adding prisoner #0668193, as I've said before, I'll go to jail before I'll be forced to pay a cent for something I don't want or need.

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richardwhee

Jul-17-13 7:36 PM

This is STARTING to be a mess. I hope the whole thing just blows away before more damage can be done.

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WVEXPAT

Jul-17-13 7:16 PM

“The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe.." “Perverse incentives are causing nightmare scenarios. First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.”

So three Union leaders are alarmed at how Obamacare is destroying the 40 hour work week yet the true believers write consider those millions "meager".

Don't let ideology stand in the way of working Americans!

But I guess these Union leaders are just being dramatic!

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RockEReputation

Jul-17-13 7:14 PM

“The history of man is a graveyard of great cultures that came to catastrophic ends because of their incapacity for planned, rational, voluntary reaction to challenge.” - Fromm

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WVEXPAT

Jul-17-13 7:06 PM

When even Union leaders come out against Obamacare and how it is destroying the 40 hour work week, you know things are bad! From a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi from Jimmy Hoffa (Teamsters), Joseph Hansen (United Food and Commercial Workers International Union) and Donald Taylor (UNITE-HERE), "“When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act, you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat…We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us.” (via Forbes).

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Ragnar

Jul-17-13 7:03 PM

The problem with any program, or entitlement, is that, once it is with us, it never goes away.

Barry Hussein Soetero attacked President Bush for "reckless and costly programs like prescription drugs." If a Republican had said that, the Democrats would have been running attack ads the next day. You know, George Bush pushing Granny off a cliff in her wheelchair.

Funny thing is, Barry has not made any effort to do away with Part D. Maybe he knows, like all of us, that it is far easier to implement even more welfare spending than to fight to end any wasteful program.

Every budget item has its' supporters and if you try and turn off the spigot, you risk your cushy position.

Go along and get along and kick the can down the road-the motto of DC politicians.

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UNCOMMONSENSE

Jul-17-13 5:44 PM

Tell the deadbeat leaches to get a job and PAY for their OWN health care or learn to doctor themselves!!!

I'm so sick of these welfare queens running to the hospital every time they get gas!!!!

Conservatives believe in WORKING and paying their OWN way!

Liberals believe in leaching off their labor!!

END public housing

END food stamps

END medicaid

END SSI

And force these bums to go to work!!!

Problem solved!!!

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UNCOMMONSENSE

Jul-17-13 5:33 PM

I will NEVER pay one thin dime!!!

TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!!!

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WVEXPAT

Jul-17-13 4:48 PM

I'm sure the 1.5 million Americans who make up the 1% don't think the employer mandate affect is "meager". And of course that 1% doesn't consider the millions of Americans who work part time due to Obamacare mandates. The left likes to point to the 753,000 jobs that have "created" this year, the only problem is that 557,000 are part time. The intent of liberal policy is often noble, but the real world consequences not so much!

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Triton

Jul-17-13 7:50 AM

this is nightmare legislation, never meant to meet any health care needs. It was political legislation meant to buy more votes with the something for nothing idea. Working to control health care costs would be nice but Obamacare makes that so much worse putting the health care system on the Federal tax teat. It will dwarf the military industrical complex for sheer cost and waste. Obama has no view of this country that makes sense for people who live here and his views on healthcare are tragic. Good indicator when one of his first mentions of this type of health coverage was at an American Legion convention when he announced that he was going to improve treatment of wounded veterans by putting them on medicare and let them be treated by their hometown doctors. Seemed good to him, but not to wounded veterans who have only GPs in their hometown or small hospitals. Booed him off the stage. No mention of Obamacare for almost a year after that. Hideous idea.

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daWraith

Jul-17-13 5:42 AM

Don't let the fact that the vast vast majority of Americans= We the PEOPLE do NOT favor Obamacare cloud the fact that Me the President/Fuhrer wants it.

Or the fact that the uninsured pre existing condition program is ALREADY BROKE.

Or the fact that FEAR of 2014 Election pushed off the real implementation of Obamacare.

Kick the can down the road and let a REPUBLICAN President and Congress solve the problem.

Dems solution to EVERYTHING is CUT and RUN.

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RockEReputation

Jul-17-13 5:29 AM

Don't let the fact that the employer mandate affects a meager 1% of US workers stand in the way of any neocon overdramatization here.

..or stand in the way of any GOPeer umwillingness to assist in ironing out the details of this sweeping legislation.

...and oh yeah, don't let the bragging rights for that McDowell County life expectancy of 63 years fuzz your thinkin', Ogden.

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