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States To Join For EPA Fight

Attorney general says West Virginia must work against mandates

July 18, 2013

WHEELING — West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey said the state will “seek to form a collective voice” and join other states in federal lawsuits to fight regulations proposed by the U.S....

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daWraith

Jul-18-13 7:44 AM

Wasn't there a time when the government was actually OF, BY, and FOR the PEOPLE of these United States???

And not FOR the paper-pushing bureaucrats in DC who are so far out of touch with reality they couldn't find their a%% with both hands???

WTF has happened to our great Republic?

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 9:45 AM

"President Barack Obama last month announced his plan to work toward elimination of carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants." As has been thoroughly documented for one of the editors of this rag, industrial "carbon emissions" are, right now, in Europe, being reclaimed and profitably recycled into both liquid automotive fuels and the raw materials for manufacturing plastics. Your local Bayer Corporation, in fact, has a pilot plant up and running in Germany that is recovering Coal power plant exhaust Carbon Dioxide and converting it into the components of polyurethane. Ominously: Saudi Arabia now has an entire suite of technologies developed that reclaims "carbon emissions" and converts them into synthetic petroleum. But, if we were allowed to be told of them, and allowed to use them, the United States Navy and the United States Department of Energy have both developed very similar, very viable, CO2 utilization technologies.

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 9:55 AM

In fact, relative to our comment below, the US Government itself, just this past June 11, through issuance of "United States Patent 8,461,215 - Rendering Coal As An Environmentally Carbon Dioxide Neutral Fuel And A Regenerative Carbon Source", awarded to a Nobel Prize-winning chemist at the University of Southern California, George Olah, confirmed, that, by reclaiming CO2 from the exhaust gases of Coal-fired power plants, and then converting that CO2 into liquid hydrocarbon fuels and other hydrocarbon products, we could make the generation of electricity, from Coal, a CO2-neutral process.

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wvhoopie

Jul-18-13 10:13 AM

Yea, why would anyone want clean air? Cancer and COPD are fun!

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 10:43 AM

Even further, in England, a company called "Air Fuel Synthesis" has a pilot plant up and running that's extracting Carbon Dioxide from plain old air, and, using technology developed by the University of Oxford, as disclosed in "'United States Patent Application 0120283340 - Process for Producing Methanol'; Date: November 8, 2012; Abstract: The present invention relates to a novel process for the production of methanol (via) the hydrogenation of CO2"; is converting that CO2 into fuel Alcohol.

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 11:03 AM

And even further, the company "Carbon Recycling International", using some of their own technologies and some developed at the University of Southern California, as noted below, is, in Iceland, right now,recovering industrial exhaust gas CO2 and converting it into fuel alcohol that's being blended into gasoline and sold in service stations in several European nations under the trade name "Vulcanol". Yet, your, our, vital Coal-based power generation industry is being assaulted with no attempt being made to mount a fact-based defense; a defense which could, if we were allowed and enabled to implement the technologies that already exist, help to free us from our crippling dependence on OPEC, as well.

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anutterview

Jul-18-13 11:04 AM

WVUGEO, What is the energy source used to hydrogenate methanol from carbon dioxide?

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daWraith

Jul-18-13 12:06 PM

WVUEGO, you are completely confused on the US Patent Office.

The fact a patent is issued by the USPTO means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as to the validity of the patented method.

It means somebody spent a lot of money on patent attorneys to get something patented.

Whether the patent has any commercial viability is determined by the marketplace.

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 12:14 PM

Penn State University, the City University of New York, Princeton University and the University of Nevada have all developed technologies, some of which can use environmental energy, like sunlight, to drive the processes, that convert CO2 into stuff like Methanol and substitute natural gas Methane. Panasonic Corporation has a pilot plant up and running in Japan that uses sunlight to convert CO2 into Methane. The USDOE has a whole suite of technologies that do the same sorts of things, and they even officially trade-named it: "Green Freedom (TM)". A search that turns up some results on AOL is: "Visible Light Photoreduction of CO2'; 2009; National Energy Technology Laboratory, USDOE, Pittsburgh, PA". How come we haven't been publicly told about any of that?

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 12:42 PM

Hydrocarbons synthesized from Carbon Dioxide in processes driven by solar light and/or solar heat, have become called "Solar Fuels", and, the Royal Society for Chemistry, in London, provides a good introduction to them via their web page: "Solar Fuels and Artificial Photosynthesis: Science and innovation to change our future energy options", which is a search phrase that works fine on AOL. You are being bamboozled if you sit back and allow "carbon emission" issues to skyrocket your electric bills, or harm your economically vital WV Coal industry. CO2 is a valuable raw material resource; and, the sooner we're allowed to know that, and to benefit from the knowledge, the better off we all will be.

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richardwhee

Jul-18-13 1:01 PM

I learned something today. We have states. For the past several years everything has been dictated by D.C. and the confused idiots there. There are no longer states rights. The only time D.C. knowes there are people here is when they want more taxes, and someone to dictate too.

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WVUGEO

Jul-18-13 1:07 PM

Just to confirm the realities of Carbon Dioxide recycling for some of you, just last October, Saudi Arabia was awarded: "'United States Patent 8,288,446 - Catalytic Hydrogenation of CO2 into Syngas Mixture'; Assignee: Saudi Basic Industries Corporation, Riyadh". The "syngas" is a mix of Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen which, as the Saudi Arabian's explain, can be catalytically and chemically condensed over some well-known catalysts and made to form, basically, a synthetic petroleum, among other things. The Saudi's, by reports, have a pilot plant up and running in Bahrain. We keep our blinders on, keep hanging on to the false beliefs that have been force fed to us, it won't be long before we're buying OPEC tanker ships full recycled Coal power plant exhaust - if there are any Coal-fired power plants, making genuinely affordable electricity, left.

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anutterview

Jul-18-13 1:42 PM

WVUGEO

If I understand you correctly, the various processes that you are describing are ways of storing variable energy sources (solar, wind, etc.) as a carbon-based fuel. Kind of like plants do.

Unless the fuel is not burned, there is no real reduction of CO2; only sequestering it in a hydrocarbon fuel source.

It sounds like what we are talking about is a hydrocarbon "battery" or can we dare say a hydrocarbon fuel.

One possible benefit of these processes, would be that if manufacture and burning can be controlled, there might be fewer other pollutants released (CO, particulates, etc.), but this can already be done by proper control of the chemical reactions when existing hydrocarbons are burned.

so I guess I'm missing the big whoop.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-18-13 7:58 PM

anutterview, you’re “missing the big whoop” because that’s all it is. Whoop. The energy it would take to transform coal-produced CO2 back into fuel would be FAR more efficiently used by putting it directly onto the power grid and simply BURNING LESS COAL TO PRODUCE THAT ENERGY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

But that doesn't fit WVUGEO’s big coal booster agenda, and the second law of thermodynamics doesn’t apply when you’re selling snake oil, thus all the babble from him about patents NOBODY in the USA cares about because NOBODY can make a profit on processes that are LESS efficient than those we’re already using.

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1whoworks

Jul-18-13 8:00 PM

Yes, there are BILLIONS of our dollars that we borrowed from China that are spent granting universities to study various ways to deal with CO2. Some day one of them may just be viable. None are now. I repeat none are now. So we spend billions while making the energy more expensive in our country all the while developing countries (where by the way all of the true wealth is migrating to) laugh at us. The bottom line is that the climate will still change we will have spent the bank riding ourselves of fictitious "greenhouse gasses" and won't have made attempts nor have the cash to deal with the changes. Arrogance and stupidity by the idealists.

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mikeyd

Jul-19-13 9:41 AM

obama just trying to bury this country.the epa and the rules for certain people have just become a lever for him.quit flying around on the vacation of the week tour and maybe we won't be so polluted.

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