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Much at Stake for Coal

July 24, 2013

Editor’s Note: Following are excerpts from a speech given Saturday by Robert E. Murray, chief executive officer of Murray Energy Cor....

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TrollSlayer

Jul-24-13 7:43 AM

Remember back in 2008 when the United Mine Workers of America actually ENDORSED the Coal Bankrupter in Chief? And the United Steelworkers did, too? Even AFTER Barry Bankrupter gave his famous “if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them” campaign interview?

Union stooges, you built this.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-24-13 7:50 AM

More foolish union boss deals with the Democrits have led to serious buyer’s remorse. From a Teamsters, UFCW, and UNITE-HERE letter to Democrit Senate and House leaders:

“Time is running out: Congress wrote this [Obamacare] law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios...”

Read the rest of that letter here. The union-Dem train is running out of steam.

blogs.wsj.c om/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

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GETACLUE

Jul-24-13 8:20 AM

It would appear that the Newsregister has printed the comics page in the opinion section of this paper.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-24-13 9:23 AM

It would appear the loony liberal progressives like Clueless have no serious rebuttal to the FACT that the unions do not like sleeping in the bed THEY'VE made for themselves.

... or explanation for the RECORD numbers of Americans on Food Stamps, the ASTRONOMICAL $17 TRILLION National Debt, of which their puppet Obama is responsible for over 1/3 of in just over a single term, or the STAGNANT, Obama unemployment numbers, STILL really in the teens.

Oh, right, they DO have one rebuttal. "But BUSH!..." Pathetic, liberals. Man up and fix things like you promised. Elections have consequences, remember?

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renewableguy

Jul-25-13 5:27 AM

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We know CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave radiation (Tyndall). The theory of greenhouse gases predicts that if we increase the proportion of greenhouse gases, more warming will occur (Arrhenius).

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Global warming theory goes back to the 19th century with experiments from the 20th and 21st century confirming their validity. I support an economic transition for Ohio coal into the new age of energy generation. Lets help families move and change to leave the ways of coal behind.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-25-13 7:31 AM

Renewable guy, look up the theory of saturation. When the CO2 in the atmosphere has ALREADY absorbed all the long wave IR there is, how much more long wave IR will more CO2 absorb? Here's a hint. If there are 10 apples in the bowl, and Sally takes all 10, how many more are left for you?

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Maggie46

Jul-25-13 12:54 PM

Bob Murray could care less about the people of the Ohio Valley or the miners that work for him. All he cares about is filling his pockets on the backs of the miners who currently have little choice but to work for him at the moment. Once the gas companies are up and running that will all change. Watch out Mr Murray - the big dogs are in town and you will be reduced to a toy poodle yapping at their ankles. Man I can't wait for that.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-25-13 1:23 PM

Maggie46 “miners who currently have little choice but to work for him at the moment”

Right, Maggie. It really su cks to have a job right now. Murray is just one of those evil, greedy businessmen who provide paychecks that families to use to purchase food, clothing, and shelter.

Those miners need to stand up for themselves and just quit and go on welfare and food stamps like the rest of you Progressives. That will show greedy employers like Murray how much we need their dirty money.

There’s the door. Don’t let it hit you in the head.

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Wheeldog

Jul-25-13 4:36 PM

"When the CO2 in the atmosphere has ALREADY absorbed all the long wave IR there is, how much more long wave IR will more CO2 absorb?" troll.

??? Are you suggesting that that the current CO2 content in the atmosphere is the maximum that can affect global warming? If so, you are far off base. CO2 and other greenhouse gasses are increasing at rates that many climatologists find cause for serious concern. One of the major concerns is the thawing of permafrost in arctic regions resulting in the release of enormous quantities of methane, an extremely effective greenhouse gas. It is quite possible for the rate of change to increase exponentially overwhelming the ability of humans and other life to adjust.

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LizardKing

Jul-25-13 4:39 PM

Republican think tank and conservative think tank are oxymorons.

"A conservative is a person who sits and thinks. Mostly just sits." Woodrow Wilson

Trust me, Woody, nothing has changed one iota.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-25-13 7:00 PM

Exactly right, Wheeldog. Not only is the current quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere capable of removing all the long wave IR being re-radiated from the surface, but the lower quantity of CO2 a century ago was also enough to remove all the long wave IR. So the anthropomorphic increase in the CO2 concentration has had NO effect on global climate, and further increases will ALSO have no effect.

Your comments on methane may be true, but we weren’t discussing methane or other gases in this article about coal. So why did you bring those other gases up, except to muddy the water? Distraction your aim? Yep.

By the way, I’m enjoying the nice cool July we’ve been having. 70s in late July. Low of 53 tonight. Brrrrr! And we’re only up to tropical storm Dorian. Only four named storms this summer. Where’s all the global warming, Chicken Little?

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CleanWater

Jul-25-13 7:45 PM

Ha troll, you said anthropomorphic. That's a CO2 cloud that takes shape of a human? Cool. I can picture it, i think. You mean anthropocentric. Any-who, the Appalachian coal states will be paying quite the penalty for hogging all the emission allocations when the carbon tax goes into effect. It will be based on land area and WV will pay. Wyoming not so much. How will Murray fare? He will be paid incentives to not mine coal, and still die a grumpy old geezer.

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Wheeldog

Jul-25-13 9:49 PM

Troll, thank you for your last post. It challenges me to double check my sources on global climate change. So I did. Based on the information accessible on a range of reputable sites dealing in climate science I have to say that my viewpoint hasn't changed. CO2, both natural and man-made, is a major player in the on-going increase in global temperatures and related climate events. Among a very long list of universities and agencies that focus on climate science these include NASA, NOAA, Scientific America and Carnegie Institution for Science. As the concentration of CO2 increases, so does the global temperature. Check: climate(dot)nasa(dot) gov(backslash)evidence (backslash). The evidence is pretty clear.

As human generated CO2 affects the temperature it sets off a secondary cycle of methane release This, in turn, creates a positive feedback in the process.

I believe we have already passed a critical point in this process that will have serious consequences.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-25-13 11:53 PM

Oops, you’re right, CleanWater. And you’re wrong. I didn't mean anthropomorphic, which relates to human form. I didn't’ mean anthropocentric, either, which relates to human importance. I meant anthropogenic, which relates to human influence.

Any-who, enjoy that carbon tax. Because it will be passed directly on to your electric bill. So you’d better go solar and wind now. Be a leader and show us how it’s done. Without government subsidies, because that’s cheating. And we’ve had quite enough Solyndras lately, thank you very much.

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daWraith

Jul-26-13 5:19 PM

Poseurdawg, at 150 ppm CO2 life ceases to exist on earth because all plant life dies.

We are at about 380-400 ppm.

It has been as high as 2000 ppm during the "Garden of Eden" days of the Dinosaurs and the earth OBVIOUSLY survived.

Scientists have proven a RISE in temperature comes about 800 YEARS BEFORE an increase in CO2.

CO2 cannot POSSIBLY be a cause of warming, it is an E-F-F-E-C-T of warming.

Go back to pandering on something ELSE you don't understand like Peak Oil or Sasquatch.

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Wheeldog

Jul-26-13 11:45 PM

How is it that dah has not been hired as climate expert by NOAA, NWS, NASA, etc.? These agencies and a host of other professional climate research organizations and groups have somehow overlooked the enormous expertise of the omnipotent dah! Of course, they and 90% of credible climate scientists have been intentionally misleading us in a leftwing, commie effort to undermine the American Way! Uh huh.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-27-13 1:59 PM

Wheeldog, those agencies typically hire “researchers” who toe the party line. And especially researchers who are able to obtain Government grant-funded studies that lead to follow-on Government grant-funded studies, with follow-on residuals to those agencies.

Who do you think gets the funding for the follow-on study? Researcher A whose previous studies indicate no global warming so no need for further studies, or Researcher B whose previous studies indicate global warming that needs to be further studied? And which researcher is more likely to be hired to do more Government grant-funded residuals-providing studies?

It’s like natural selection, with the researchers who find positive results being selected for future studies and the researchers who find negative results producing no future revenue so eliminated from the warmer community.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-27-13 2:00 PM

In short, if you're not a "warmer" you're not welcome in the warmer "scientist" community. It's like not being invited to the Chicken Little party.

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Wheeldog

Jul-27-13 6:51 PM

Troll, are you saying that more than 90% of accredited climate scientists are part of an international plot to perpetrate a falsehood regarding climate change? That's a pretty massive conspiracy. The reality is that human influenced global warming is real and poses a serious concern for the health of our planet and the future of our own specie.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-27-13 7:04 PM

No conspiracy, Wheeldog. Simply economics and psychology. If your studies prove global warming, that’s exciting, that leads to more questions – how much, when, where, why - and you get funded to do more studies. If your studies prove no global warming, that’s boring, and what’s left to study, nothing? So you get no more funding. After you paid for a study that showed nothing was happening, would you fund a study designed to show that nothing is still happening?

Natural selection of studies. Studies that find something lead to more studies. Studies that find nothing lead to nothing. Is evolution a conspiracy? Same thing. But if you can’t understand that, I understand.

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Wheeldog

Jul-27-13 9:56 PM

Troll, I assume you feel the same way about all forms of scientific research and study.

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TrollSlayer

Jul-28-13 12:57 AM

Wheel, it's not about how I "feel." It's simply the way it is. But yes, that applies to all areas.

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daWraith

Jul-28-13 7:46 AM

Get a clue, Poseurdawg. "Climate Science" is not a hard science, it is POLITICAL SCIENCE.

A few hundred researchers whose PAYCHECK depends on promoting the lie support it.

Over 30,000 scientists have signed the Oregon Petition stating there is NO REAL EVIDENCE of Global Warming.

When the IPCC, keepers of the data that allegedly proved Global Warming, have LOST that database, only science challenged housewife would consider that "science"

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daWraith

Jul-28-13 7:47 AM

The nice thing about real science is that it is not changed by the politics of con men like Al Gore.

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daWraith

Jul-28-13 8:39 AM

I notice the overnight low on 7/25 and 7/25 in 26003 was 52.

To date Wheeling has received 5.62 inches of rain in July; normal is about 4 inches.

Does THAT sound like global warming to any SANE person??? Thought it was supposed to HOT and DRY?

If a "climate scientist" told Wienerdawg to "eat scat and bark at the moon", the oldawg would be out howling all night with his nose covered in brown.

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