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Health Law Jeopardizes Coverage For Families

August 8, 2013

NEW YORK (AP) — One casualty of the new health care law may be paid coverage for families of people who work for small businesses....

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daWraith

Aug-10-13 9:34 AM

Oldman, what part of the myth of the "Clinton Surplus" don't you understand. Budget deficits under Clinton: (Treasury. gov)

1994 $281.26 Billion

1995 $281.23 Billion

1996 $250.83 Billion

1997 $188.34 Billion

1998 $113.05 Billion

1999 $130.08 Billion

2000 $17.91 Billion

2001 $133.29 Billion

As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit.

Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of "only" $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero--let alone a positive surplus number.

And Clinton's last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit.

The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

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oldmansvan

Aug-10-13 8:09 AM

check your numbers righties. Everything but the debt fell under bush.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-09-13 10:27 AM

Hey, what do you know. As WVEXPAT points out, the White House historical tables ALSO say GDP went UP 36% under Bush.

oldvan, you need to tell Obumbler to fix those tables. At BOTH sources. LOL

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WVEXPAT

Aug-09-13 10:22 AM

According to the same White House Historical Table GDP stood at $10.225 trillion in 2001 and $13.960 Trillion in 2009. So not sure where the 17% comes from? Possibly FY Historical Tables 8.8 and 2.2? LOL

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WVEXPAT

Aug-09-13 10:17 AM

Oldman, I think you need to look at White House Historical Table "Table 1.2—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-) as Percentages of GDP: 1930–2018"

GDP in 2008 was $14.334 Trillion and $13.960 Trillion in 2009. That's 2.6% decrease thanks to the liberal inspired, bi partisan enabled fiscal crisis.

I know how much you like the White House Historical Tables!

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TrollSlayer

Aug-09-13 10:14 AM

oldvan “The GDP fell 17% under Buuush.”

Fell? 17%? Seriously? What loony toons Progressive website did you get that foolishness from? LOL

From the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, GDP went UP 36% under Bush. Educate yourself, oldvan. Here’s the source. Enjoy.

w ww.bea.g ov/national/index.htm

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WVEXPAT

Aug-09-13 9:49 AM

The part time economy created by Obamacare is also affecting public sector jobs. From the Detroit News, "Dearborn is planning to cut hours for 200 part-time and seasonal employees to 28 hours a week due to Obamacare’s looming employer mandate. Under the Affordable Care Act (ACA), employers with 50 or more workers have to provide health care for all employees working more than 30 hours a week. The costs would have blown a hole in Dearborn’s budget.

Dearborn is just one of dozens of cities and public school systems across the country that have reduced the hours of part-time employees to avoid the costs imposed by Obamacare."

"Last year, Oakland County budget chief Bob Daddow rightly predicted Obamacare would be a threat not just to companies, but also to county and city budgets. The act’s unintended consequences have hit localities in states from California to Indiana and school districts from Pennsylvania to Utah."

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oldmansvan

Aug-09-13 9:30 AM

wvpat, The GDP fell 17% under Buuush. Deal with it.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-09-13 5:05 AM

GEO “Hope we somehow get a chance to meet over a beer someday”

There's an event so unlikely, it's eerie. And who’s spitting? Not me. LOL

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littlefox

Aug-08-13 11:36 PM

WVUGEO said - "It might be a sort of imperfect, bite-the-bullet sort of thing; but, at least everyone will be biting that bullet. The real essence of democracy."

You're socialist. Got it.

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WVEXPAT

Aug-08-13 11:11 PM

Oldman, Including the Liberal inspired fiscal crisis Bush averaged 1.7% GDP growth (around 3% without). Obama is averaging about 1%!! He built that!!

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WVUGEO

Aug-08-13 9:41 PM

Troll:"dead man walking". There's a hit so close to home, it's eerie. Hope we somehow get a chance to meet over a beer someday, might be one or two things we could find to talk about without spitting in each other's eyes.

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WVEXPAT

Aug-08-13 9:33 PM

"The majority of this country is tired of the lies."

Indeed they are!! Obama's rating continue to drop and thanks to all the "phoney" scandals, govt trust ratings are at their lowest in modern history!

Please explain how stats from govt agencies and direct quotes from Democrats are considered lies?? Is the Kool Aid really that strong??

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TrollSlayer

Aug-08-13 9:33 PM

Don't worry about me dying for lack of medical care. As a supporter of fossil fuels I'm far more likely to die of global warming, radiation poisoning, or gas explosion. I'm a dead man walking.

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WVUGEO

Aug-08-13 9:25 PM

Troll: Life just wouldn't be the same without you. Make sure your med premiums are paid up; wouldn't want to lose you too soon.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-08-13 9:20 PM

WVUGEO! Didn't know you cared!

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TrollSlayer

Aug-08-13 9:19 PM

wonderlie “Guess what tool and ex- The majority of this country is tired of the lies. Look at factcheck.”

I just pointed you to Obama’s own US Government website original sources, and you want to divert the fact checking to factcheck? There’s a wonderwhy for you. LOL

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littlefox

Aug-08-13 9:18 PM

wonderwhy cites factcheck Snopes. Whattasource :)

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WVUGEO

Aug-08-13 9:17 PM

And, Good Heavens, Troll, if misery does, indeed, love company, we bet your mailbox is stuffed come Valentine's Day.

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WVEXPAT

Aug-08-13 9:17 PM

Obamacare is one of the polices making things worse. From the letter to Reid/Pelosi from James Hoffa (Teamsters) and 2 other major union leaders, "When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class."

Even Obama supporters WITH labor agreements acknowledge the fact that the ACA is creating a part time economy!!!

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TrollSlayer

Aug-08-13 9:17 PM

oldman “Troll, why do you keep lying about the deficit spending? 2000”

oldman, why do you keep lying about what I said? Nowhere did I mention 2000. You’re clearly delusional. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Aug-08-13 9:13 PM

WVUGEO “It might be a sort of imperfect, bite-the-bullet sort of thing; but, at least everyone will be biting that bullet. The real essence of democracy.”

Right, GEO. As Benjamin Franklin said, “Misery loves company – the essence of Democracy.” LOL

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WVUGEO

Aug-08-13 9:07 PM

littlefox! Didn't know you cared! One thing: If you think some of the other stuff we've written has merit, but disagree with us herein, please don't throw the baby out with the bath water! But, we still think this is a suspect opinion piece masquerading as news and information. Some small business operators we know are pretty much okay with it all; their primary gripe is with what they fear will be additional red tape, reportage, record keeping; in other words, the tiresome bureaucratic hoo-hah. But, they're kind of relieved that their employees will be getting, or might be getting, at least some coverage that they, on their own, given the nature of their businesses, couldn't provide even if they wanted to. It might be a sort of imperfect, bite-the-bullet sort of thing; but, at least everyone will be biting that bullet. The real essence of democracy.

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WVUGEO

Aug-08-13 8:54 PM

Hasn't anyone geeked on some of the contradictions in this piece? For instance: ""We're very generous in what we pay," says Shoop, the owner of Professional Finance Co. "But like most companies, we're about at our maximum of the total dollars that we can spend on health care." Shoop pays between 70 percent and 90 percent of an employee's premium, and between 10 percent and 30 percent of family premiums, depending on how long a worker has been with the company. He declined to say how much he pays for health coverage. Shoop has 150 full-time and 20 part-time workers."" So, "between 10 percent and 30 percent of family premiums" is "very generous"? Is that the sort of "Coverage For Families" this "Health Law Jeopardizes"? Not really putting a lot at risk, are we?

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oldmansvan

Aug-08-13 8:23 PM

Troll, why do you keep lying about the deficit spending? 2000 235 billion annual surplus, 2008, end of Bush 1,300 billion annual deficit. Who's deficit spending is responsible for the massive dept. Your man Buuush is guilty. You can continue to lie about this but anyone can check the facts. Your man Buuush is guilty.

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