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GreenHunter Given Planning Group’s OK

Approval caps months of debate over proposed recycling plant

August 13, 2013

WHEELING — Following several months of contention, back-and-forth bantering and public protests, Wheeling planning commissioners voted 4-1 Monday to allow GreenHunter Water to build its natural gas......

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uglyassmf

Aug-13-13 1:50 AM

You can always count on corporate America..Our real leaders who do NOT answer to us to do the right thing. as long as it lines their pockets.

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rover1958

Aug-13-13 2:30 AM

It's safe...yup, yup....it's safe, safe, safe.

"....He also said the company's workers will wear radiation detectors while on the job....."

Kinda says it all...don't it folks.

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Ragnar

Aug-13-13 6:14 AM

Where were the Wheeling-Fill In The Blank-Warriors when the steel mills were turning the skies black?

Where were they when the coke plant STILL puts out its' mess?

Where were they when the coal mines built huge slurry impoundments?

Where were they when PPG and Bayer produced hazardous chemicals?

NIMBY is an issue now because none of these tools has a spouse working in the proposed plant and a mortgage to pay.

If this were Wheeling-Pitt, Weirton or Ormet, you can bet that those who stood to benefit financially would look the other way at any environmental issues.

There is nothing unsafe about wearing radiation detectors on a job.

You live 60 miles downriver from the US' oldest nuclear power plant. Has it killed you, yet?

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Melvin

Aug-13-13 6:35 AM

...miniscule in volume... said Jack from GreenHunter

MEANINGLNESS EVASIVE comment on radioactivity. Miniscule and volume mean nothing when describing radioactivity levels.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 7:26 AM

"Even though radium, uranium and radon are considered radioactive, Jack has said these elements will be minuscule in volume at the Warwood plant." Again with the weasel phrase "considered radioactive". They ARE radioactive. And, documentation from the US Geologic Survey and multiple universities, including Penn State, demonstrate that radium can be present in Marcellus frack flowback in amounts well in excess of those allowed by law for industrial effluent. Those documents are in the public domain, and the fact that they are not being publicly exposed in this venue very sadly implies a lot. And, "Melvin" is right: "miniscule" is meaningless. Radium, if ingested in any amount, bio-accumulates in the bones. If any amount, at all, gets into your drinking water, it will build up in you over time.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 7:29 AM

I love a good old-fashioned witch burning. LOL

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RRafael2

Aug-13-13 7:47 AM

FACT: Between 2009 and 2012, radiation detectors at Pennsylvania landfills went off over 1300 times, over 1000 of those alarms were activated by oil and gas wastes. One alarm showed radiation levels at 226 times the allowable rate. Also in Pennsylvania, a fracking waste company accepted millions of gallons of brine water, and then went bankrupt. The water remains on site, and Pennsylvanians will have to pay for its removal. When I personally toured the New Matamoras plant, I observed that only ONE of about a dozen workers was wearing that radiation badge that they claim they use. They don't care about radiation. Wheeling should, at the very least, require a bond to cover the possible damages caused by their operations. We also hope they have considered potential liability from other municipalities whose water may be contaminated by Wheeling's poor decisions. How it is that they can approve a product which their own municipal code prohibits? It is a sad day for Wheeling.

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mikeyd

Aug-13-13 8:10 AM

and 30 trucks a day.in wellsburg there was 30 trucks an hour dumping in the river.five at a time lined up and dumping.directly between the middle school and the water treatment plant.your politicians will sell you out.we apparently were the original science experiments.who will be responsible if there is an accident?mr.jack or the politicians involved?keep a list.

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Newgirl

Aug-13-13 8:10 AM

Have there been any studies on other areas who have engaged in this and if the communities developed cancer clusters? That would be significant either way.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 8:25 AM

This comment is now posted on the Wheeling Water Warriors web site: "The issue of radium in the frack wastes is being brushed off, swept under the rug. It is a documented hazard that demands, for the safety of all, full public exposition. If it is not fully and publicly treated, then the motivations of all involved in the decision making, and in the public reportage of the situation, could and should be held suspect. Anyone have Bob Woodward's number?"

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 9:09 AM

Newgirl has it right. Anyone have ANY data showing ANY harm from similar operations? No? Well, then you’ll have to go back to torches and pitchforks, I guess.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 9:19 AM

Troll: In the case of radium contamination and poisoning, you might have to wait for the second generation for the genetic damage to be made apparent. And, yes, at a frack treatment plant in PA, radium in hazardous amounts has been measured downstream of a frack treatment plant. Radium is, without now debate, based on evidence from the USGS and multiple universities, present in some cases in high amounts in frack flowback and even solid drilling waste. It is now a proven danger that cannot be dismissively floated past with endless demands that it be proven, especially when it already has been.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 9:25 AM

Show me the harm, GEO. You have nothing but anecdotes relating findings of minuscule quantities of a substance that naturally occurs in minuscule quantities.

That term "minuscule" really gets your dander up, doesn't it. Then tell us how much radium there really is in one of those fracking fluid trucks. And how much of that will be getting into your drinking water.

I suppose when you can't bring facts, insinuation and fearmongering will have to do. LOL

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 9:31 AM

mikeyd, you’re worried about the drillers dumping that stuff in the river? You don’t allow them to have a legal location where they can properly recycle and dispose of it and you can bet some of it WILL go right into the river.

Did Prohibition stop people from drinking? Only in public.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 9:34 AM

Troll: For just one example: In US Geological Survey Report 2011-5135: "Radium Content of Oil- and Gas-Field Produced Waters in the Northern Appalachian Basin (USA): Summary and Discussion of Data; US Geologic Survey, 2011; The range of radium activities for samples from the Marcellus Shale (can be as much as) 18,000 picocuries per liter (pCi/L)". And, as can be learned from the EPA's "Radionuclides in Drinking Water Rule", the EPA's "current standards (for drinking water) are: combined radium 226/228 of 5 pCi/L".

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 9:40 AM

Troll: In the report/presentation: "Fate of Radium in Marcellus Shale Flowback Water", which can be found via AOL web search of that title, University of Pittsburgh scientists Tieyuan Zhang, Daniel Bain and Radisav Vidic, disclose, that, in a project funded by the US Department of Energy, they measured "Radium 226" in Marcellus flowback ranging from hundreds to thousands of picoCuries per Liter, "pCi/L". They further confirm, that: "EPA limits for Ra-226 in drinking water is 5 pCi/L".

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mikeyd

Aug-13-13 9:45 AM

troll,i'm not worried for myself because this place is well south of here.i just happened to be witness to what these companies are capable of and with the dumb government leaders in this area the people living around this place are in for a rude awakening.at least this recycling plant is a mile away from the water treatment plant while we here in wellsburg had it dumped literally feet away from ours.even the truck drivers had to know that this was wrong.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 9:48 AM

Troll: In the report: "Analysis of Marcellus Flowback Finds High Levels of Ancient Brines; 2012", Penn State University reports, that: "Brine water that flows back from gas wells in the Marcellus Shale region after hydraulic fracturing is many times more salty than seawater, with high contents of various elements, including radium". The paper is scheduled for publication in "Applied Geochemistry", the journal of the International Association of Geochemistry. One Penn State professor commented, that: "of concern is the release of elements such as barium and radium that have been in the ground for millions of years. Even if it’s diluted quite a bit, it’s still going to be above the drinking water limits”.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 10:10 AM

Troll: In the presentation: "The Marcellus Shale Gas Play: Geology, Development, and Water-Resource Impact Mitigation", the US Government's New York Water Science Center reports, that, Radium can be found in some Marcellus frack flowback in excess of 10,000 picoCuries per Liter, pCi/L. Again, the EPA drinking water limit is 5 pCiL. And, the legal limit on industrial effluent Radium content is 60 pCi/L.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 12:44 PM

GEO, weapons-grade uranium is also highly radioactive. But since NOBODY IS PLANNING TO FEED YOUR KIDS weapons-grade uranium that fact is IRRELEVANT.

Similarly, since NOBODY IS PLANNING ON DRINKING PURE FRACKING FLOWBACK, your comparison of the activity level of it to drinking water is IRRELEVANT.

Hopefully I cleared that disinformation up for you. But I doubt it, since it's all you have.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 12:48 PM

mikeyd, prosecute the dumpers. Confiscate all their assets and put them in prison for life. But to shut down a legally operated business because other businesses have operated illegally is just foolish.

Has anyone in YOUR line of work ever operated illegally? Then we need to shut YOU down? That’s the line of thought for these NIMBY water whiners.

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 2:47 PM

Chokingsmoker: Thanks for the boost; but, ya gotta keep swinging. Most of the cats here, blinded by the shale gas abundance baloney sandwiches, want what they want, and the devil take all else. Some, obviously, are entranced by their own egos, and, in addition to wanting what they want, they know what they know.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 3:33 PM

GEO, I don’t know much about cats, baloney sandwiches, the devil, or egos, but I do know if you’re relying on Choker’s “Facts MEAN NOTHING to the scientifically illiterate folks with an MBA... Wheeling's white collar crime families blah blah blah” as support you’re mighty short on support.

Still waiting on one documented example of harm here... at that whopping 18000 picocuries per liter worst case you cited (that's less than 0.00000000002 by mass fraction) - and we won't even try to type all the zeros involved if you should spill that minuscule amount into 7 BILLION gallon/hour flow of the mighty Ohio River - you'll need to search pretty carefully...

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WVUGEO

Aug-13-13 4:18 PM

In a Pittsburgh Tribune article, "Radioactive Fracking Debris Triggers Worries At Dump Sites", May 11, 2013, by Timothy Puko, it was reported, that: "Between 2009 and 2012, radiation alarms (at landfill dumps) went off 1,325 times ... with more than 1,000 of those alerts just from oil and gas waste, according to data from the (PA) Department of Environmental Protection".

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TrollSlayer

Aug-13-13 5:47 PM

GEO, is the GreenHunter facility a landfill? No. More TOTALLY IRRELEVANT babble from you. STILL all you got. Keep trying. LOL

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