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Water Level Rising? Not in Great Lakes

August 15, 2013

Climate alarmists have a new toy with which to play — but it may not be as pleasing as they hope....

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daWraith

Aug-16-13 4:14 PM

Just today:

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) - Atlanta's high temperature on Thursday was only 73 degrees which is the coolest high temperature on record for August 15.

The previous record was a high of only 77 degrees from 1908.

The average high temperature for this time of year is 88 degrees, putting Thursday's high 15 degrees below average.

Atlanta has seen a cooler-than-average summer due to a lot of rain. We're about 15 inches above average on rainfall this year.

Sure, a cool day or month or summer does not mean AGW is at and end, but it DOES throw doubt on the fact the earth is "warming".

If anything, the empirical evidence is pointing to a cooling earth.

But when are a climate ALARMIST, colder weather is really because of global "warming" . . . . . .

Yeah, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!

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TrollSlayer

Aug-16-13 9:13 AM

No wonder city dwelling liberals think the globe is warming. City temperatures are up three degrees thanks to heat generated from all the Obamaphones and drive-by shootings...

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daWraith

Aug-16-13 7:51 AM

7/2013

Alarmists Abandon The IPCC!

At What Point Do They Give Up On The Arctic Melting Scam? ?Unprecedented July Cold Ends The Arctic’s Shortest Summer On Record

Posted on July 30, 2013 by stevengoddard

Normally the high Arctic has about 90 days above freezing. This year there was less than half that.

BBBWHAHAHAHAAH! What effing warmin, dudes????

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daWraith

Aug-16-13 7:48 AM

The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“, features a full 2-page article bearing the headline: ”The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age” followed by the sub-headline: “Defying all predictions, the globe may be on the road towards a new little ice age with much colder winters.”

So now even the once very green Danish media is now spreading the seeds of doubt. So quickly can “settled science” become controversial and hotly disputed. The climate debate is far from over. And when it does end, it looks increasingly as if it’ll end in favor of the skeptics.

The JP writes that “many will be startled” by the news that a little ice age is a real possibility. Indeed, western citizens have been conditioned to think that nothing except warming is possible. Few have prepared for any other possibility."

BBBWHAHAHAHAH!

The Ice Age Cometh!

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daWraith

Aug-16-13 7:46 AM

Come on AlarmistDawg, the Great Lakes are connected to the ocean via locks and rivers (the St. Lawrence, St. Saint Marie, etc. etc.). While there is no direct connection, if the oceans were rising significantly, one would think the level would rise a little. Reality is there is NO real change in ocean levels.

Now I have been living in the SE Michigan area for the past year and I can tell you LAST year and a few before they had a bad drought and some old sea wrecks from 100 years ago were being exposed in the Lakes.

But this past year has been very wet and cold and lake levels here are up by about 3 feet.

So no time to panic.

Ice Age Cometh!

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daWraith

Aug-16-13 7:41 AM

8/13/2013

"NOAA also reported that the “average lower strastospheric temperature, about six to ten miles above the Earth’s surface, for 2012 was record or near-record cold, depending on the dataset” even while the concentrations of greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide, continued to increase.

"Even with all this data manipulation, the trend is down as shown by this Hadley global plot," writes Joseph D'Aleo, former director of meteorology at The Weather Channel."

Ice Age Cometh

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TrollSlayer

Aug-16-13 12:03 AM

Repeating that last sentence, "However, the absence of long-term trends in the historic Great Lakes water levels record and increases in water in some inland areas of Wisconsin suggest that lake water levels may not yet show the decline expected from long-term climate change."

So another case of no evidence of the expected effects of climate change. Anticlimactic climatics.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-15-13 11:59 PM

From the UCS report, "Climate scenarios and lake models have consistently predicted less runoff, more evaporation, and lower water levels in both large and small lakes in the region. The most recent hydrologic models continue to project lower lake and groundwater levels in the future, despite a lack of clear trends in the historic record. Predictions based on one of the climate models used in this report suggest even greater declines in late summer water levels because this model projects higher temperatures and lower summer rainfall in the region than the models used in previous studies. However, the absence of long-term trends in the historic Great Lakes water levels record and increases in water in some inland areas of Wisconsin suggest that lake water levels may not yet show the decline expected from long-term climate change."

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BigMike

Aug-15-13 11:02 PM

NASA GISS record of temperature at Teigarhorn, Iceland: (February 1901 average temperature)

Feb 1901: 0.0C - reported Nov 2011 Feb 1901: -0.9C - reported Mar 2012 Feb 1901: -1.2C - reported Aug 2013

Why does the past continue to get colder??

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BigMike

Aug-15-13 11:00 PM

NASA GISS record of temperature at Teigarhorn, Iceland: (February 1901 average temperature)

Feb 1901: 0.0C - reported Nov 2011 Feb 1901: -0.9C - reported Mar 2012 Feb 1901: -1.2C - reported Aug 2013

Why does the past continue to get colder??

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dolphin3111

Aug-15-13 10:43 PM

What truly puzzles me is exactly who wheeldog is referring to as the "deniers". Possibly me, since I am an Obama "flat earther". I do not agree with the almighty Barack and his disciples at the EPA, that CO2 is a "pollutant".

I deny one theory only.... that the 1.6 deg C global warming since 1900 can be measurably attributed to the actions of man and the addition of 0.01% CO2.

wheeldog, if you can show me a scientific document that demonstrates quantitatively how the addition 0.01% of CO2 can cause 1.6 deg C of warming in 100 years, then you can call me a denier all you want. Otherwise you are the denier of the scientific process.

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dolphin3111

Aug-15-13 10:42 PM

The primary short term climate driver is the composite PDO and AMO natural ocean temperature cycle. This 30 to 35 year cycle corroborates with the lack of any global warming during the last 15 years. The PDO/AMO cycle indicates that global temperatures have peaked and cooling could be significant for the next two (or so) decades.

The following late info supports the idea of cooling in the short term, or at least no catastrophic warming trend or sea level rise.....

According to the August 14, 2013 report from the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), the Arctic air temperature has been below normal for the last 120 days, making the summer of 2013 the coldest summer since 1958. when records began being kept.

Also... The average Arctic air temperature has already fallen below freezing as of August 8, a solid two to three weeks ahead of average.

Also... The Greenland surface melting that occurred last summer, has all re-frozen and has remained frozen this summer.

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dolphin3111

Aug-15-13 10:41 PM

I must join with Wheeldog (I can't believe I'm doing this !) in the idea that this editorial is embarrassing. It does not in any way reflect the ideas of those like myself, who study the science of meteorology and climate. One thing the article brings to light, however, is the fact although NOAA preaches the gospel of global warming in their public releases, MOST of their own historical data does not support or validate their public opinions of doom and gloom.

The Great Lakes are not affected directly by melting or freezing of the Arctic ice cap.

But let's stick to the facts. Sea water levels have not been affected either due to the moderate 1.6 deg per century rise in global atmospheric temperature. Total sea level rise over the last century has been approximately 0.4 inches. The rise has basically ceased at it's present levels and is in no danger of causing a catastrophe in the forseeable future as it was forecasted to do by alarmists.

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Wheeldog

Aug-15-13 9:08 PM

I suggest the author of this article print a retraction and acknowledge his obvious lack of research and failure to abide by the most elementary rules of journalism. Editorial opinion does not free a journalist from sticking to basic facts.

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Wheeldog

Aug-15-13 12:49 PM

Is this a joke?? It's embarrassing - or at least it should be. What is the source of the reporter's claim that freshwater lakes are supposed to rise due to global warming? Unless a given lake is fed primarily by glacial runoff and has a constricted outlet an increase in air temperature will not in itself result in an appreciable rise in water level. Indeed, many major lakes are drying up due to drought and increased evaporation. Oceans are far more prone to rises in water level due to the increased melting of land-based glaciers and snow fields and thermal expansion. If this article is reflective of the level of basic science knowledge of the deniers than they are truly beyond reason.

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Wvcoffee

Aug-15-13 10:10 AM

Climate alarmist? Should we then refer to others as Science Deniers?

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mikeyd

Aug-15-13 9:27 AM

as long as we don't run out of water we are good.nobody cares if the ice melts.

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thetruthforonce

Aug-15-13 8:02 AM

Once again, Mike, you didn't do your homework before you stuck your foot in your mouth. According to NOAA's senior scientist, Craig Stow, drought which has plagued the US has been one of the causes for the decrease in water levels. Also, according to Stow MILD winters have resulted in not much snow pack which causes a decrease of melting and runoff in the spring. Further a decrease in ice coverage on the lakes in winter allows more evaporation because the lakes are "generally WARMER." If you people take anything this rag of a paper says is fact, then I've got a bridge I want to sell you.

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