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Insist ‘Fracking’ Be Done by the Rulebook

August 25, 2013

Hydraulic fracturing of rock formations deep underground to release rich oil and gas deposits has been used by drillers for decades....

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RRafael2

Aug-30-13 8:37 AM

I want to thank you for the inspiration! The joy and support of our many friends in our lives sustain us. We are without need of aid or advice from trolls, and the majority of opinion in this town belies your mean spirited and petty observations. We'd really like to know what "needy" people receive *anything* from this Ayn Randian who thinks the poor should really just all die off. The troll is in need of some civility and manners, and a sense of humor. When a troll stands to lose money, it becomes increasingly agitated. Watch for more bluster and yawning. What a pathetic life, it is actually sad...

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TrollSlayer

Aug-29-13 11:44 PM

I always give to the needy. And you need to take some lessons.

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RRafael2

Aug-29-13 11:43 AM

Troll, I'm enjoying my semi-retirement doing what I do best. It was nice to see you and your daughter spend $100 to see me and my husband perform, and we LOVE our work!

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TrollSlayer

Aug-27-13 8:53 PM

GEO, you mean if GreenHunter goes bankrupt what will we do with those big new water storage tanks they put in when they took out those big old petrol storage tanks? Sounds like a major problem... I'd call Ralph Nader... LOL

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TrollSlayer

Aug-27-13 8:51 PM

RRafael, don't give up your day job...

...that is, if you have a day job...

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WVUGEO

Aug-27-13 1:00 PM

Concerning RRafael2's pertinent observations about GreenHunter's insolvency, someone else noted that situation, and posted the following on the Wheeling Water Warriors' web site: "If GreenHunter is still to proceed with the Warwood project, since they are insolvent and apparently have little in the way of company assets, is Wheeling/the State of West Virginia, going to make certain they are fully bonded, that is, insured by credible backers, against consequential damages caused by the construction and operation of their facility? In other words, if some innocent Wheeling-area citizen or citizens is/are harmed by construction or operation of the frack waste treatment facility, who is going to pay/be able to pay compensation for the damages?" Those concerns are valid. Is our public press, who are fond of touting their vigilance, going to perform some due diligence?

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RRafael2

Aug-27-13 12:11 PM

Better check the stock reports: "Frac’ water treatment and recycling start-up GreenHunter Resources is teetering on the verge of insolvency. The company, which since 2011 has relied partly on stock sales and loans from its own chairman to continue operations, cited “substantial doubt about [its] ability to continue as a going concern” in its quarterly report filed earlier this week. Quarterly revenues rose from $4.2 million to $8.9 million year-on-year, but GreenHunter posted an operating loss of $2.1 million – a 386% increase year-on-year. As of 30 June, the company had a working capital deficit of $9.1 million. GreenHunter shares sank 6% on the results, which came shortly after the CFO announced his resignation on 12 July. A replacement was announced on 19 August. The company expects revenues from recent acquisitions to help it, although it will likely need to borrow more money for upcoming capex projects, which include a wastewater recycling plant in West Virginia."

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RRafael2

Aug-27-13 12:08 PM

The Troll on the Hill Day after day, alone on his hill The troll with the big computer sits and writes what he will But nobody wants to hear him, they can see that he's just a troll He never has good answers, just the troll on the hill Sees the drill going down Dollar signs in his head See our world turning brown. Well on his way, his head filled with cash The tool of the right wing media simply sounds brash But nobody wants to know him, they can see that he's just a troll A brainwashed corporate mouthpiece, just the troll on the hill. Sees the drills going down Dollar signs in his head See our world turning brown. And nobody ever likes him They know just what he would do He'd drill and mine each valley He's the troll on the hill Sees the drill going down Dollar signs in his head See our world turning brown. He'll never listen to them Thinks scientists are fools He just don't like them The troll on the hill Sees the drills going down Dollar signs in his head

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TrollSlayer

Aug-26-13 3:55 PM

RRafael “Troll has totally unreasonable expectations about how long it takes for laws and regulations in place to be changed”

Barry Obankrupter and the Democrit Congress passed the largest spending bill – over 2000 pages long – in one year. Surely they could have taken care of one little loophole in an EPA regulation in five years.

Why do these loony libs think it’s so easy to regulate coal out of business by Executive Department decree but they find it so hard to change one little regulation? Waaaa waaaa waaaa it’s too hard! LOL

“David will beat Goliath by the death of a thousand paper cuts” I’m picturing that, and it deserves another LOL

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RRafael2

Aug-26-13 3:13 PM

Troll has totally unreasonable expectations about how long it takes for laws and regulations in place to be changed, especially with the big money the energy companies throw around our politicians, and a media campaign that shovels lies to the people. And despite what you may think, or want this to be, this not a red vs. blue problem, it is an environmental and people's right issue, neither of which obey party lines. We refuse to be bullied into submission by corporations that are not duly elected by us, yet make decisions for all of us that affect all of us, and we will hold our elected officials accountable for the decisions they make that impact our health, safety and security. BTW, GreenHunter had a dismal Q2, and are facing possible bankruptcy, or did we miss that piece of news? Now he can really worry... Eventually, David will beat Goliath by the death of a thousand paper cuts.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-26-13 1:55 PM

RRafael, AGAIN, what administration has been in charge of the EPA for the LAST FIVE YEARS?

Cheney? You mean FIVE YEARS FORMER VP Cheney? Will this admin ever take responsibility for ANYTHING? Send a complaint letter to VP Cheney about his EPA and see where that goes. LOL

Apparently elections only have consequences when you can’t pass the buck. “But BUUUUUUSH!” LOL

Halliburton loophole? Really? But STILL not a SINGLE fracking fluid contaminated well in the entire Ohio Valley you can specifically cite here? After THOUSANDS of wells fracked here? So you babble Halliburton and expect that canard to get attention... yawn...

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TrollSlayer

Aug-26-13 1:46 PM

mikeyd, does “the person that gave the order to dump” work for GreenHunter? No? Then why do you oppose GreenHunter? If anything, you should welcome GreenHunter. The sole purpose of that facility is to responsibly recycle and dispose of fracking fluid to PREVENT the need for dumping of fracking fluid. Their presence should REDUCE dumping.

It's like opposing garbage collection services because you don't like garbage. So when you ban garbage trucks, guess what gets dumped all over the place?

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mikeyd

Aug-26-13 10:01 AM

troll,i agree that the company that fracked brownlee's property should be fined heavily with the person that ordered the truck drivers to dump this stuff in the river jailed as the rest of us would be for intentionally polluting the river.and i'll tell you once again that i am not anti-industry as you suggest.this stuff dumped right at our water treatment plant within direct view of the middle school shows that the person that gave the order to dump doesn't care about anyone here including the kids.

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RRafael2

Aug-26-13 8:01 AM

The EPA has been hampered by the "fox watching the henhouse" with the Halliburton loopholes put into place by the previous administration. Mr. Cheney, previously their CEO, made sure the exemptions were in place before he left office. Most well informed people on this issue know this fact.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-25-13 8:02 PM

Just what Administration is in charge of that EPA of which you speak so unfavorably? And just what Administration is in charge of that WV DEP of which you speak so unfavorably?

Elections have consequences. And you voted for them. Remember?

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RRafael2

Aug-25-13 2:16 PM

I'd like to point out that the "rulebook" is enforced by the US EPA, and the WV DEP, those same governmental agencies that some writers here have deemed unnecessary and a bane to business. You either have regulatory agencies to protect you, or you don't. Part of the problem is these agencies are woefully understaffed, and even when they do enforce rules, the fines they levy are often cheaper to pay than what it would cost them to do it correctly, so the fines simply become a part of the budget of doing business. Businesses take shortcuts all the time to increase their bottom line.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-25-13 11:52 AM

GEO, are you sure that contamination wasn’t caused by coal mining? Because coal mining occurs much closer to the aquifer. And contamination from coal mining is specifically identified and documented all over those areas, too. And yet you’re a major coal booster here. Wonder why the bias? It seems financial interests drives moral interests.

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WVUGEO

Aug-25-13 11:29 AM

Again, this op-ed, in saying that "fracking, has been studied by ... independent researchers and ... gets a clean bill of health every time" is factually incorrect. Duke University in, for just two examples of their work: "Geochemical Evidence for ... Migration of Marcellus Formation Brine to Shallow Aquifers in Pennsylvania", published in "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of United States of America", and "The Effects of Shale Gas Exploration and Hydraulic Fracturing on the Quality of Water Resources in the United States", published in "Procedia Earth and Planetary Science", clearly identify and specify plain evidence of, and warn of, groundwater contamination caused by and associated with shale gas fracking.

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TrollSlayer

Aug-25-13 11:21 AM

So a Left Angeles Times article quotes an “internal” EPA document that has, as its strongest evidence the contamination found was “most likely because of” fracking? In Dimmock, not here? And in Wyoming, where the geology and hydrology are completely different than they are here? Apparently an LATimes speculation on long-ago and far-away and “most likely” is proof to the anti-gas loons.

And the “truth” about fracking was withheld to support Obama? Seriously? Yeah, how about that. LOL

STILL waiting for a single specific example of damage here in the valley, GEO. yawn...

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WVUGEO

Aug-25-13 11:12 AM

The Los Angeles Times article we cited below also reports that the "EPA dropped a study of possible contamination of drinking water in Pavillion, Wyoming, despite its earlier findings of carcinogens, hydrocarbons and other contaminants in the water". The article goes on to record, that, according to one of several EPA whistle blowers who are beginning to come forward, the studies were dropped "out of fear the inquiries would hurt President Obama's re-election chances". How about that? This newspaper supports Obama!

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WVUGEO

Aug-25-13 11:11 AM

This superficial op-ed, saying that "Fracking gets a clean bill of health every time", is not factual. The full story is beginning to come out in other parts of the country. For instance, a July 27, 2013, article in the Los Angeles Times, "Internal EPA Report Highlights Disputes Over Fracking And Well Water", reports that "an internal EPA (document) warned ... that several wells (in the Dimock, PA, area) had been contaminated with methane and substances such as manganese and arsenic, most likely because of local natural gas production", but the EPA, say critics, dropped it's investigation "over the objection of its on-site staff", perhaps because "the Obama administration" started using "the sharp increase in natural gas production to rebut claims that it is opposed to fossil fuels".

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TrollSlayer

Aug-25-13 9:34 AM

Companies that intentionally violate the law should be shut down and their assets seized, and those responsible should be sent to prison. Companies that obey the law and conduct operations responsibly should be encouraged to conduct business here, which provides jobs here and stimulates economic growth here. Agree, mikeyd? Or are you just opposed to all industrial activity in this area?

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mikeyd

Aug-25-13 8:45 AM

yea,like the company that dumped all of their fracking fluid in the river in wellsburg.

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