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No Hard Evidence on Syria

White House: ‘Common-sense test’ all that’s needed to take action

September 9, 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House asserted Sunday that a “common-sense test” dictates the Syrian government is responsible for a chemical weapons attack that President Barack Obama says demands a U.S....

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BigMike

Sep-11-13 12:23 AM

" new or suspected" should be "knew or suspected", So solly.

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BigMike

Sep-11-13 12:19 AM

BERLIN — Syrian President Bashar Assad has repeatedly rejected requests from his field commanders for approval to use chemical weapons, according to a report this weekend in a German newspaper.

The report in Bild am Sonntag, which is a widely read and influential national Sunday newspaper, reported that the head of the German Foreign Intelligence agency, Gerhard Schindler, last week told a select group of German lawmakers that intercepted communications had convinced German intelligence officials that Assad did not order or approve what is believed to be a sarin gas attack on Aug. 21 that killed hundreds of people in Damascus’ eastern suburbs.

This may exonerate Assad OR the Syrians possibly new or suspected that this particular comm link was being exploited and the Syrians engaged in an act of 'imitative deception'. That is to say boys & girls that in the world of military intel there are no rules. So it is wise to take anything you may read or see with a grain of salt.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-10-13 9:39 PM

"Good job", Birdie? What I see is a serial blunderer that has gotten himself into a jam again with his big mouth. Someone that tried to run a bluff on Syria, then when that didn't work dithered, then tried to shove the blame off on Congress. Someone that is basing policy on what is meant to seem an offhand remark, but other reports say was based on a desperate conversation with Putin previously. Someone that has been handed a not very workable out by a nation and leader that clearly despises him.

Yeah, Birdie, real presidential.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-10-13 9:30 PM

Cal, you might want to do a little research before you spout off about Bubba's "antics." Ever hear of Lexus Nexus? It's a search engine specifically set up for legal searches. Look up appellate briefs files for reductions or retrials for convictions for perjury committed in Federal civil suits between 1994 and 2000.

Why are these significant? These are people that lied under oath related to Federal civil law suits that were prosecuted, convicted and jailed by Janet Reno, the Attorney General under, you guessed it, Bill Clinton. In other words, people that were in the clink for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING CLINTON DID IN THE PAULA JONES CASE. There's over a dozen of them. So unless you are a total hypocrite, you have to say either Janet Reno should be in the slam for malicious abuse of her office, or Clinton deserved to be impeached for committing several felonies.

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WVEXPAT

Sep-10-13 9:05 PM

Goose, Earlier in this thread you said anyone who agreed with Russia was siding with our enemies. Then you turn around and congratulate the President for agreeing with Russia and Syria!

Liberals make great gymnasts!!

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TrollSlayer

Sep-10-13 1:18 PM

cal, your casual attitude about the seriousness of a US President committing perjury in Federal Court during his own trial for sexual harassment of a female subordinate is telling. Now go ahead and babble something about how “it was just about sex.”

It wasn’t “just about sex” to Paula Jones. Because of Clinton’s crimes of perjury, Jones didn’t get a fair hearing in an American court. But apparently a woman’s right to equal treatment and freedom from sexual harassment in the workplace isn’t as important as Party politics to you Democrits. No surprise.

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caltransplant

Sep-10-13 11:49 AM

Troll, your moral outrage at President Clinton's antics is amusing. One who is as full of hatred as you are should avoid casting stones.

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Gooseman

Sep-10-13 9:48 AM

"On Monday, Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem stated that his country welcomed the Russian proposal, which called for Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control and for the weapons to be destroyed."

Good job Mr. President.

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VRWC5528

Sep-10-13 9:42 AM

Gooseman

Sep-09-13 8:11 PM Agree | Disagree

walksabout Sep-09-13 1:54 PM

"who else saw the pres on Tv with his foot ( shoe sole ) on the oval office desk ? Character. what you do when you think nobody sees you. The shoe on desk reflects boldly on respect level."

Hey stupid, ever see the pics of lilbush with his shoes on the desk? How conveniently you forget.>>

And goosy continues his use of the "Mommy, he hit me first" to excuse any actions that his Messiah wants to take. You never answered goosy, did this work for you when you were 5?

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WVEXPAT

Sep-10-13 8:06 AM

"First Lady Michelle Obama opposes military action in Syria, President Barack Obama told PBS and NBC News"

I guess by goose logic she is siding with the enemy!

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BigMike

Sep-10-13 12:06 AM

First Lady Michelle Obama opposes military action in Syria, President Barack Obama told PBS and NBC News on Monday.

"My own family members... they're very wary and suspicious," President Obama told PBS.

Obama said the First Lady does not want the country to engage in another war:

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BigMike

Sep-09-13 11:57 PM

For whatever the reason President Obama deserves credit for waiting on the House of Reps. It has allowed the American people to have their voice heard, it has allowed a potential solution. By no means is the crisis in Syria solved. But perhaps it may open the way for a diplomatic solution. Let's hope so.

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BigMike

Sep-09-13 11:49 PM

In a just and thoughtful world, this entire issue would turn on the evidence and the evidence alone. And while we hear a great deal from the Obama administrationl ABOUT the evidence--they ALLUDE to it; they HINT at it; their faith in it is expressed in the most screeching terms--yet they don't produce it. Moreover, they don't seem to think that a UN inspection will produce any, either. In a just and thoughtful world, this would be strange. In an op-ed piece the other day, John Kerry explained to his readers that the use of chemical weapons on a civilian population would constitute an atrocity. He must have been very relieved to learn that everybody already knew that. Likewise, when he went on to explain why the Articles of the Geneva Convention must be strictly adhered to, he must have been pleased indeed--if perhaps surprised--to find that everybody already knew that, as well. The consensus is well nigh unanimous on these points. People really just want to see the evidence. (HufPos

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Gooseman

Sep-09-13 11:47 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin about a potential plan for Syria to turn over its chemical weapons to international control.

Syria has welcomed an idea floated Monday for it to hand over chemical weapons for destruction to avoid a U.S. military strike. The public proposal from Russia followed what seemed to be an offhand remark by Secretary of State John Kerry. The U.N. secretary-general also backs the idea.

Obama tells PBS' "NewsHour" that he and Putin did speak about it LAST WEEK while Obama was in St. Petersburg, Russia, for an economic summit. Obama and Putin had an impromptu chat Friday for about 20 minutes.

Obama says it was a CONTINUATION of previous conversations he's had with Putin about securing Syria's chemical weapons.

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BigMike

Sep-09-13 11:37 PM

Former intelligence officials told IPS that that the paper does not represent a genuine intelligence community assessment but rather one reflecting a predominantly Obama administration influence.

In essence, the White House selected those elements of the intelligence community assessments that supported the administration’s policy of planning a strike against the Syrian government force and omitted those that didn’t.

(truth-outdotorg)

Does this constitute lying to Congress?

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TrollSlayer

Sep-09-13 11:18 PM

walksabout “"who else saw the pres on Tv with his foot ( shoe sole ) on the oval office desk ?"

gooseman “Hey stupid, ever see the pics of lilbush with his shoes on the desk?”

Hey stupid and stupider, do you have any idea what Slick Willy Clinton did on that desk? I hope “lilbush” and Barry Benghazi used antibacterial soap on their shoes.

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atoddh

Sep-09-13 11:00 PM

The Right is usually pro military/defense contractor. Money would be made on the attack. The Pentagon would be pleased with a new project. What is the true agenda/motive on this???

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atoddh

Sep-09-13 10:55 PM

goose: Does the USA really want to empower the rebels: an unknown? There has been little information released about the beneficiaries of the proposed strikes. Who are they and what is their agenda once in power?

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SarahB

Sep-09-13 10:40 PM

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WVEXPAT

Sep-09-13 9:59 PM

""Russia and China oppose the strike as does Iran".

Gee, so do the extreme right wing and right wing media in the US. "

From CNN, ""More than seven in 10 Americans simply don't see a military response making any difference. They don't see it doing any good."

According to Gallup 43% of Dems oppose (45% for) and 53% of Independents (34% for). You can throw Britain, 1/2 the G20 nations, MoveOndotOrg onto the enemies list. But then again we have "enemies" on both sides and hence the real problem!

Goose, most of your liberal "friends" on this site are against a strike.

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daWraith

Sep-09-13 9:24 PM

Log Hog, I believe the answer to your question as to the TWO LARGEST possessors of Chem Weapons?

Russia #1

USA #2

Not totally sure because nobody brags about their illegal stash!!!

Israel is probably #1 in the Mideast

BBBWHAHAHAHA!

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daWraith

Sep-09-13 9:17 PM

Greaseman you dumbass, the Syria rebels are aligned with the Taliban.

You know, the one that was lead by Osama bin Laden whom Opie had killed and bragged about every since???

You know, the guys who inflicted the worst attack on American soil in the HISTORY of the country???

How's Egypt working out for ya??

Hows Libya working out for ya??

How's Afghanistan working out now that Opie cut and ran??

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Gooseman

Sep-09-13 8:15 PM

So, if Syria gives up all of its chemical weapons, it is proof positive, we need to round up all the right wing haters who instead of supporting America and the President, sided with Iran, China and Russia, while the President once again proves, he doesn't sweat the small stuff, disguised as right wing extremist America haters. Pathetic people.

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Gooseman

Sep-09-13 8:12 PM

"Russia and China oppose the strike as does Iran".

Gee, so do the extreme right wing and right wing media in the US. Funny how they side with our enemies.

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Gooseman

Sep-09-13 8:11 PM

walksabout Sep-09-13 1:54 PM

"who else saw the pres on Tv with his foot ( shoe sole ) on the oval office desk ? Character. what you do when you think nobody sees you. The shoe on desk reflects boldly on respect level."

Hey stupid, ever see the pics of lilbush with his shoes on the desk? How conveniently you forget.

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