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Alarmists Stymied By Calmer Weather

September 12, 2013

You may remember that for a couple of years, severe heat waves, strong hurricanes and vicious tornadoes plagued some regions of the country....

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atoddh

Sep-12-13 4:52 PM

Calm before the storm

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wvhoopie

Sep-12-13 5:13 PM

wanting to breathe free of disease is now the war on coal. LOL

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Wheeldog

Sep-12-13 6:52 PM

This is like the person who smokes and has been diagnosed with a serious smoking related disease. He goes to a dozen different doctors until he finds one who tells him his ailment is minor. When he experiences a temporary remission in the symptoms he exclaims that he is completely free of the ailment and probably never had it in the first place, so he can keep smoking.

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dyingov

Sep-12-13 7:36 PM

Interestingly the "weather" peeps are not very accurate 72 hours out! So the sheeple keep claiming in 2050......Fools!

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mikeyd

Sep-13-13 12:02 PM

must be due to the shutting down of the coal fired power plants.so they'll say.

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 8:55 PM

Arguing with climate alarmists about AGW is like arguing religious dogma with zealots. They accept their alarmist position on FAITH and FAITH ALONE; facts have no place in their effed up world.

The real hottest period in America was the dust bowl of the 1930's. A measure of the climate change is the number of record HI set versus Lo. IN 1933 there were over 9000 record highs versus about 200 record lows for the year.

IN 2013 there have been about 6300 record LOWS versus about 1000 record highs (Like a NEW LOW for the date of the month).

It is a FACT that global warming has stopped and is getting colder. All we have heard from Alarmists is excuses, rationalizations, and claims that "Yes, global warming has halted TEMPORARILY but you watch, by 2020 oops 2030 oops 2040 oops 2050 it will start getter warmer, TRUST US!"""

EPIC FAIL!

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 8:58 PM

Can you rely on the weather forecast? Maybe not, at least when it comes to global warming predictions over short time periods.

That’s the upshot of a new study in the journal Nature Climate Change that compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews****, three were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming. On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred. Some scientists say the study shows that climate modelers need to go back to the drawing board.

"It's a real problem ... it shows that there really is something that needs to be fixed in the climate models," climate scientist John Christy, a professor at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, told FoxNews.

BBBWHAHAHAHAHA!

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 8:59 PM

"This is neither surprising nor particularly troubling to me as a climate scientist," Melanie Fitzpatrick, a climate scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, told FoxNews****. "The work of our community is constantly to refine our understanding of the climate system and improve models based on that," she added.

The climate models, Fitzpatrick said, will likely be correct over long periods of time. But there are too many variations in climate to expect models to be accurate over two decades.

But John Christy says that climate models have had this problem going back 35 years, to 1979, the first year for which reliable satellite temperature data exists to compare the predictions to.

"I looked at 73 climate models going back to 1979 and every single one predicted more warming than happened in the real world," Christy said.

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 9:02 PM

Christy agrees that there has been some warming over time, but says man-made greenhouse gasses are not as big of a driver of climate change as many think -- and that many scientists are in denial about their mistakes.

"I think in one sense the climate establishment is embarrassed by this, and so they're trying to minimize the problem," he said. "The fundamental thing a climate model is supposed to predict is temperature. And yet it gets that wrong."

The study authors did not answer questions from FoxNews**** about the policy implications of their research.

Why were the predictions off? The study authors list many possible reasons, from solar irradiation and incorrect assumptions about the number of volcanic eruptions to bad estimates about how CO2 effects cloud patterns.

Christy said he believes the models overestimate warming because of the way they handle clouds.

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 9:05 PM

But Wienerdawg the retired Park Ranger knows more than the climate Scientists and NASA because he BELIEVES.

Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!

Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

Yo Wheezerdawg: Its going to be 45 in 26003 tonight and metro Detroit suburbs have a FROST ALERT!!!

But Wiener BELIEVES in AGW!

CAN I HAVE AN AMEN, BROTHER!

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daWraith

Sep-13-13 9:32 PM

AlarmistDawg is in Deep D-E-N-I-A-L!

It's NOT a river in Africa, dude!

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-14-13 2:36 AM

For those that still cling to the Algore mantra, a little thought to ponder. There was a recent discovery of a Viking village that was under a glacier. There was the usual doomcrying about how this shows "global warming", until the talker, who was interviewing some "expert" about this, pointed out that this meant that some time between the seventh and twelth century, the peak of the Vikings, the Earth must have been warm enough for long enough for a village to be built. Not too many people tunnel under a glacier to build a house.

The "expert" walked away from the interview.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-14-13 2:45 AM

Remember how we were told natural gas was the salvation, compared to coal, back when gas was expensive? Now it seems it's the new villain. But for those here that have been clinging to the "peak oil" idea, something to ponder. I was at a energy business conference recently. One of the speakers at the technical sessions was talking about the long term prospects for energy in the US. He said based on known reserves, and with no improvements in current extraction methods, with 5% consumption growth per year, every adult in the room would be dead of old age before the US will see a true decline in supply.

The entire lower peninsula of Michigan has two layers of gas formations, significantly more than WV. Since it's dry gas, little to no ethane, they don't expect any significant drilling there for fifteen to twenty years.

Sorry Dawg

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 7:29 AM

I am the WHEEEEEEELDOG and I , the Grand Wizard of the Ohio Valley Flat Earth and Luddite Society, will condescend to explaining this to mere mortals like daWrath and daold.

Peak Oil, like Global Warming, is clearly a proven scientific fact because I SAY SO. The USA has clearly hit peak oil in 1972 and the massive rising prices of oil since prove it. All of the low hanging fruit has been picked and the cost of extracting oil via fracturing and deep sea oil platforms cause it to go up and up.

All of you serfs with intellects inferior to mine, which is the entire Ohio Valley, should riding bicycles to work and living in caves with wood burning fires.

The Grand Wizard of Wiennyville hath spoken and shall entertain no disagreement because I am clearly the smartest guy in the room.

Wraith just calls people names and is a bully for challenging his holiness, the Grand Wizard of Buushiit.

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promo61

Sep-14-13 7:34 AM

Atoddh: Calm before the storm Translation: We are in the offering phase so pass the plate. Next up is the snake handling in the church of the scorched earth.

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 8:49 AM

A week plus before the end of summer and it was 36 in Metro Detroit this morning.

Global COOLING, fools!

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mikeyd

Sep-14-13 10:30 AM

if i could afford it i would take a vacation to africa to warm up.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-14-13 12:25 PM

California's state Air Board is in the Carbon Exchange business. They cancelled this month's sale because no one signed up.

IHS Global Insight is an info company that markets all sorts of data to hardheaded business types. I use them to keep track of all the world steel specs my customers use.

They reported that Arctic sea ice is at a level not seen since the record year of 1979. It's averaging 2 yards thick, at the normal range for this year. In other words, the polar bears will be fine.

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oldsteelmaker

Sep-14-13 12:30 PM

A recent analysis found the total effect of fracking put $183 billion into the economy. More immediately, the benefit of lower heating and reduced raw material costs improved our purchasing power by over $1300 per person. That's more than all of obie's programs combined.

These figures are readily available if you go look for them. Most of them come from the government.

Care to comment, lefties?

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Wheeldog

Sep-14-13 4:22 PM

Thanks for the response, folks. It's pretty much as I expected. This topic is scary. Denial is a typical automatic reaction to something that is as threatening as global warming. The almost frantic attack on the science and anyone who accepts it as a reality is reflective of the emotion that the issue generates.

First, the rate of global warming has slowed in the past several years. However, it has not reversed. We are still warming faster than anytime in the last 11,000 years. The ice cover of the Arctic Ocean has not rebounded to normal levels. The ten lowest extents of ice cover have taken place over the past ten years. Pack (2+ year) ice has significantly thinned over past decade.

Remember, stay cool!

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 6:18 PM

Wheezerdawg," We are still warming faster than anytime in the last 11,000 years"

BBBEWHAHAHAHAH! ROTFL!

You effing idiot, the thermomemters have been around for barely 100 years and ones with 0.1 deg C resolution for about 40. Satellites that measure the earth temperatue since 1979.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DATA 11,000 YEARS OLD! BBWAHAHAHAH!

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 6:20 PM

As predicted, Geezerdawg simply states lies as fact and refuses to state a source for them because then we can rip it to shreds. Since a retired park ranger clearly is not an expert in climate science, unsourced comments are simply Smoky the Bear crapping on your lawn.

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 6:22 PM

On the other hand,

UK Telegraph:

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

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Wheeldog

Sep-14-13 7:35 PM

dah is certainly entitled to his opinions regarding climate change, but I disagree with his view. Indeed, I believe it to be self delusional. For those who would like to learn more about this important topic an excellent site is nasa dot gov. and then click on "global climate change". It has a comprehensive list of easily understood facts, graphs and projections geared to the layman.

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daWraith

Sep-14-13 8:06 PM

and for comprehensive list of how the government is spying on you, go to NSA.gov

OOps They won't tell you the truth EITHER!

And for the truth about Syria go to putin.gov

BBWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sig HEIL Brown Shirts!

BBWHAHAHAHAHA!

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