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Brine Site In Ohio Opens

GreenHunter still waiting for permission for Warwood barges

September 17, 2013

NEWPORT, Ohio — As GreenHunter Water officials await the Coast Guard’s approval to barge hydraulic fracking waste on the Ohio River from its facility in Warwood, the company has opened a brine......

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 10:05 PM

HiHowRU “But, by God, we have to get single mothers off of welfare and no free lunches for needy children at school.”

You’re right, How. Republicans WOULD like to see fewer single mothers on welfare and fewer kids dependent on free lunches. So maybe you are the smartest person in the room but you just aren’t quite smart enough to know it. Keep reading my posts and you'll get there. LOL

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HiHowRU

Sep-17-13 9:26 PM

Trollslayer, you sure have a lot to say on all the news stories in the UNintelligencer. I feel honored to read your posts. You make me feel like I am the smartest person in the room. Thank you.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 9:02 PM

WVUGEO “again, we have all been deceived about how much gas is in the shale, or, actually, how much gas we can economically recover from the shale”

Again, only the ones who are making nothing from gas are claiming there’s no gas. Sour grapes said the fox. LOL

Tell those mineral rights owners the millions they're happily making and happily spending aren't real. And tell those hundreds of expert geologists who are actively employed by those multi-billion dollar gas companies they don’t know what they're talking about. Sure GEO, there no gas down there... Cha-CHING! LOL

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 8:53 PM

WVUGEO “decades ago, the Atomic Energy Commission contracted the USGS to assess the Marcellus, and other deep shales, as a source of radioactive material for making atomic weapons.”

How did that study turn out? Are they mining the Marcellus for atomic weapons material now? Or did they find so little uranium there that the MINUSCULE concentration of uranium there is only useful to fearmongers and disinformation peddlers like you? LOL

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 8:51 PM

HiHowRU “It is about $$$ nothing more.”

Well we’re impressed that you aren’t motivated by $$$, and that you do your job providing valuable, needed goods for your fellow Americans without the need for pay. Because if you get $$$ for your work and criticize others for taking $$$ for their work that would make you a hypocrite. Or a Democrit. LOL

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 7:49 PM

WVEXPAT: But, there is the Federal Law, embedded in the Energy Policy Act of 2005; and, that dominates. There has actually been a lot of activity surrounding it, proposals to rescind, etc.; but, they never go anywhere, perhaps because, for whatever reasons, the issue is never reported on and we're all being left in the dark - fed only the info that whover is feeding the info wants us to have.

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WVEXPAT

Sep-17-13 7:44 PM

Hi, Interesting no response to Obama and most Democrats supporting the "Halliburton Loophole"! And I find it funny when liberals decry "corporate welfare" when Obama's fiscal policy is literally giving Wall St $85 billion/month! Obama is the King of Corporate Welfare!!

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WVEXPAT

Sep-17-13 7:31 PM

GEO, I think you often make interesting points, but stating "Federal Law supersedes state law" when there is no Federal doesn't mean state laws are null!

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 6:31 PM

HiHowRU is again correct; and, again, we have all been deceived about how much gas is in the shale, or, actually, how much gas we can economically recover from the shale, in any case. You see big numbers printed; and, there might be that much gas in the shale. BUT, they never, ever, tell you whether those numbers relate to the total "resource", or to "reserve"; and, if "reserve", if "recoverable"; and, if "recoverable", whether "economically recoverable", or just "technically", at ANY cost, "recoverable". Those are standard and accepted classifications and considerations in the petroleum industry, and, based on some estimates we've seen from the USGS, all you're getting passed on to you in your media is the "resource" estimate. What you will economically be able to recover will be less than an order of magnitude less than that.

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 6:18 PM

And, whether there is or is not a "Halliburton Loophole" has nothing to do with the fact that frack flowback in some areas, as reported multiple times by the various components of the US Geologic Survey, Penn State and the University of Pittsburgh, brings, as Penn State called it, "ancient radium", to the surface, sometimes in dangerously high quantities and concentrations. The phenomenon is well known, has been known for a long time. In fact, decades ago, the Atomic Energy Commission contracted the USGS to assess the Marcellus, and other deep shales, as a source of radioactive material for making atomic weapons. One report of their work, from 1961, is still accessible as "Geology and Geochemistry of Uranium in Marine Black Shales; A Review", "Geological Survey Professional Paper 356-C", "prepared for the Atomic Energy Commission".

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HiHowRU

Sep-17-13 6:14 PM

The cheap gas is only going to last until the Gas Companies start shipping to China. Drill Baby, Drill has been a scam from day one. If only it really was about energy independence. It is about $$$ nothing more. So, here we all will be to clean up the mess years down the road when the boom is over and the gas companies are gone. Our tax dollars will pick up the pieces and none of the FAUX NEWZ sheep will even utter the words "Corporate Welfare". But, by God, we have to get single mothers off of welfare and no free lunches for needy children at school.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 6:11 PM

Right, GEO. Who needs that pesky 10th Amendment.

"We don't know what the current status is..."

"as far as we know..."

Powerful arguments you're making there. LOL STILL waiting on that specific example of actual damage... yawn...

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 5:59 PM

WVEXPAT: Federal Law supersedes state law; and, in most instances, state law mirrors federal law. We don't know what the current status is, but, in Pennsylvania, for instance, it was not long ago the case that a physician treating a patient for possible poisoning by frack chemicals, even on an emergency basis, would have to sign a secrecy agreement with the fracking company before the components of the frack fluids had to be revealed; with that situation devolving from the Federal Halliburton Loophole. A group of physicians banded to attempt overturning the law, but, again, federal supersedes, and the state, and the supporters of fracking, have hidden behind that. Similar circumstances exist in Michigan. There have been federal initiatives to repeal the Halliburton Loophole; but, as far as we know, to no avail. Further, no state has air and water protection laws as thorough as the Feds, in any case. It has to be fixed on the Fed level.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-17-13 5:45 PM

Stories about the rapid progress of the gas business here sure bring out the squawking loons, don’t they?

Hey, loons, STILL waiting for a SINGLE documented example of harm from fracking ANYWHERE in the valley. yawn...

And are you loons still enjoying that cheap natural gas in your home furnaces? Thought so. Must kill you to write that check to the gas company every month. LOL Turn that gas off this winter and walk the talk. Or remain closet funders of the gas industry while you keep babbling disinformation about Halliburton and cancer.

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WVEXPAT

Sep-17-13 5:42 PM

why did Barack Obama, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockefeller (and 23 other Democrats) see the NEED to push through the Halliburton/Cheney exemption to significant EPA regulation??

The Senate vote was 74-26 in favor of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 w/ more Dem's voting for than against!

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WVEXPAT

Sep-17-13 5:34 PM

"Krancer pointed out in his testimony that the Energy Policy Act of 2005 had bipartisan support. And he’s right. Even the Chairman of Philadelphia’s Democratic Party, Congressman Bob Brady, voted for it, along with then-Senator Barack Obama."

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WVEXPAT

Sep-17-13 5:34 PM

The "Halliburton Loophole" is a bit of myth in that opponents of fracking often use it to claim drilling companies have free reign in drilling operations. This is not the case! From NPR "Burning Question: What Would Life Be Like Without the Halliburton Loophole?", "Without federal oversight, it’s up to the states to regulate gas drilling. In fact, some call the “Halliburton Loophole” a misnomer because states have their own rules in place. Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection Secretary Michael Krancer recently testified in Congress that federal oversight is unnecessary because the states are better equipped to implement and enforce their own rules."

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 3:27 PM

HiHowRU is referring to what is known as the "Halliburton Loophole", which is a related set of exemptions inserted into the Bush-Cheney "Energy Policy Act of 2005", and which, in it's article concerning the Energy Policy Act of 2005, the Wikipedia describes thusly: "This bill exempted fluids used in the natural gas extraction process of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) from protections under the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and CERCLA. It created a loophole that exempts companies drilling for natural gas from disclosing the chemicals involved in fracking operations that would normally be required under federal clean water laws ... . The loophole is commonly known as the "Halliburton loophole" since former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney was reportedly instrumental in its passage".

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HiHowRU

Sep-17-13 2:59 PM

To all those in favor of fracking and all that comes with it..... If it was so safe, why did Cheney and Baby Bush see the NEED to push through the Halliburton/Cheney exemption to significant EPA regulation?

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WVUGEO

Sep-17-13 2:08 PM

Huzzahs to RRafael2 and to the Wheeling Water Warriors. As per the US Geologic Survey, the Pennsylvania State University and, in a brief research project funded by the USDOE, the University of Pittsburgh, documentation for all of which has been sent to the Warriors and to this paper, there will be Radium present in the frack flowback in amounts far above those permissible in industrial effluent, and in amounts insanely above those allowed by law in drinking water. If that stuff gets near your drinking water intake, it will, by settling into your bones, where it displaces calcium and accumulates, and then irradiating your chromosomes, inflict disease and disability on your grandchildren. For those in the public domain to ignore that danger, to continue to remain silent about it for the sake of a very transient and extraordinarily minor economic benefit that might accrue to the area, beggars belief.

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mkhunt

Sep-17-13 11:11 AM

Greenhunter released 3 quarterly reports for 2013 and you can read this online.This company needs to post bond now to continue working in this area.what has happened about the repairs from frac water corrosion to the city of wheeling water plant from LAD improper usage????WAKE UP Wheeling, the invasion is happening.Scandal breaking in Texas over cancer center and Dr. Ronald DePino:first contaminate with carcinogens and then take all the money you can get from desperate victims.Big fraud is Big Business.

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mikeyd

Sep-17-13 8:28 AM

and there will only be thirty trucks a day in and out of there.contaminating the ground with this fracking fluid is one thing,the water is another.this place is just another in their line of accidents.this stuff so far has been dumped in the river,in the streams and in the ground.no trust at all here for this crew.will these people start doing jail time for polluting like the rest of us would get?or will the favoritism continue?intentionally contaminating a town's water supply is an act of terrorism.we know that this will happen.it all started in wellsburg.

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RRafael2

Sep-17-13 8:13 AM

Wheeling Water Warriors will continue to explore any and all legal means to stop the proposed project from coming into our residential community, only 1.2 miles upriver from the main water intake for all of Ohio County. The health risks and environmental hazards to our residents are simply too high to ignore, and as responsible citizens, it is our moral and spiritual duty to take action to prevent this. Daily, we hear stories of accidents, explosions, spills, and contamination related to this fracking industry, and we do not accept the sacrifice of our health and environment for a few more years of cheap fossil fuels. The primary job of our municipal government is to safeguard the health, safety and security of their residents, and we are dismayed by the actions of our City Council who have chosen to coddle an outside industry over its own neighbors. We will hold them accountable for their failure to protect their constituents, and we will continue to take every action available.

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