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Officials Defend Power Plant Rule

EPA has Friday deadline to set new limitations

September 19, 2013

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s top energy and environmental officials said Wednesday there is a future for coal, despite a pending regulation aimed at limiting pollution from new power plants......

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atoddh

Sep-19-13 12:31 AM

coal for power in the US is a goner. Other nations will follow with either gas or nuclear power vs. coal.

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uglyassmf

Sep-19-13 1:02 AM

Yes they will atoddh. It just makes sense. That isn't to say that coal won't be use full as technology finds other uses for it and it's bi products.

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LogHog

Sep-19-13 3:29 AM

China is building Coal powered power plants as fast as possible. No pollution restrictions on theirs. Doesn't the same air from their smoke stacks come round the world to the USA? It's time for the Impeachment of Obama and McCain. Save the country. End the politicians gravy train.

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daWraith

Sep-19-13 5:28 AM

That is one scaryass picture! Look at the friggen freaks Obama appoints!

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SMART1

Sep-19-13 6:03 AM

Wow check out this picture of Obamaites! Last person to leave the valley, turn out the lights! I really thought Jimmy Carter was the Worst US President in my lifetime! Not a chance!!!!

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 6:14 AM

From the article “The EPA is under a Friday deadline to release an updated proposal that would set the first-ever limits on carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, from new power plants.”

So the EPA is now legislating limits on a gas that isn’t a pollutant? When you overstep your bounds that far, you’re just asking to be reined in.

And water vapor is the chief greenhouse gas. If that bit of carbon-truther disinformation came from the EPA, you know their science has now been completely replaced by dogma and politics.

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Ragnar

Sep-19-13 6:25 AM

Al Gorleone is being sued by over 30,000 scientists for profiting from the lie of Climate Change.

In the 70's, the wacko environmentalists proclaimed that it was a 100% certainty that we were entering a new Ice Age.

In the 80's & 90's, it was Global Warming.

Once that was debunked, it became "Climate Change".

Answer a simple question, please.

If human beings (here just over 200,000 years and mass burning fossil fuels for less than 400 of those years) are responsible for freezing/warming of the Earth, who was responsible for the three major Ice Ages (and thaws) and at least six minor Ice Ages (and thaws) BEFORE human beings even existed?

If the Earth froze and thawed and warmed and shifted-all without human activity-is it not even REMOTELY possible that any changes that may occur (and these are questionable) might have something to do with non-human activities?

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Blackrock

Sep-19-13 6:28 AM

Obama's lips move, he lies.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 7:22 AM

The entire debate about CO2 would be silenced if some US journalist, somewhere, somehow, found the courage within themselves to start printing the truth: Right now, in Iceland, industrial exhaust CO2 is being reclaimed and converted into fuel alcohol, which is being blended into Gasoline in several European nations. Right now, in Germany, the car maker Audi is converting industrial exhaust CO2 into Methane, which they're using for their LPG vehicles. Right now, also in Germany, Bayer is converting Coal power plant CO2 into the raw materials for certain polymers and plastics. The US Navy has developed an entire suite of technologies that reclaims CO2 from the environment, and then converts it into liquid hydrocarbon fuels. NASA has developed a reactor, that, in a nearly self-sufficient reaction, converts CO2 into Methane.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 7:42 AM

GEO, I think the truth about CO2 to snake oil is being withheld by a great left-wing journalist conspiracy.

Carbon-truthers are so funny.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 7:46 AM

The truth is out there, Troll, for anyone with a brain and the will to look. Audi and Bayer and the US Navy have all distributed news releases, Bayer even has some information brochures, about their CO2 recycling operations, none of which has been picked up by your press. If the press is the only place you're getting your info, it's no wonder you're prejudiced, dismissive and underinformed.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 7:53 AM

I believe you, GEO. You're like Agent Mulder, bringing us the carbon truth the vast left-wing journalist conspiracy is withholding.

I'll make you a deal. I'll buy some of your snake oil if you'll buy my 200 mpg carburetor. You can believe me because GM invented it and the Navy wanted to buy it. Really.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 7:54 AM

And, further, Penn State University, the City University of New York, and Japan's Panasonic Corporation have all, as well, developed CO2-to-Methane technology - much of it relying on environmental energy or biological processes to drive/conduct the reactions. Panasonic refers to their body of technology as artificial photosynthesis. Citizens of US Coal Country will wind up being victimized because of their ignorance, ignorance which is being fostered and maintained by the organs of public information that should, by any standard, be dispelling that ignorance.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:03 AM

One easy confirmation of what we're saying is available to anyone with rudimentary internet skills. Simply go to the Wikipedia and look up: "Carbon Recycling International". A brief excerpt: "Carbon Recycling International Inc. (CRI) is an Icelandic renewable methanol company. Its emissions-to-liquid process uses carbon dioxide and water and electricity to create methanol fuel." They are using, by the way, geothermal energy to generate the electricity. It doesn't take much. They also have new tech for converting CO2 directly into Gasoline. Much of their basic CO2-to-Methanol tech was developed by a Nobel Prize-winning chemist at the University of Southern California.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:13 AM

GEO, put that “environmental energy” directly on the power grid instead of using it less efficiently to produce snake oil and you’ll lose less grant money.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:14 AM

And, just one example of the US Navy's technology is found in: "US Patent 7,420,004 - Producing Synthetic Liquid Hydrocarbon Fuels; 2008; Assignee: The USA, as represented by the Secretary of the Navy; Abstract: A process for producing synthetic hydrocarbons that reacts carbon dioxide, obtained from seawater or air, and hydrogen obtained from water, with a catalyst in a chemical process such as reverse water gas shift combined with Fischer Tropsch synthesis. The hydrogen is produced by ... any other source that is fossil fuel-free, such as wind or wave energy. The process can be either land based or sea based." They have actually made further improvements on that tech, and had a pilot plant running at the Naval Research Laboratory. That, too, was in a news release from the NRL not picked up by your press: "Fueling the Fleet, Navy Looks to the Seas; September 24, 2012". In that release, the Navy suggested liquid fuel could be made from CO2 at a cost as low as three

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:16 AM

New day, same blah blah blah from GEO. Sell your snake oil elsewhere, truther.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:18 AM

Troll: We have a vast liquid hydrocarbon fuel vehicle fleet and service infrastructure that would take at least a century to replace with your utopian, impractical electric car baloney sandwich. Most available sources of environmental electricity can't generate at the voltages and amperages necessary for injecting into the grid. It is supplemental, at best. But, it can be used to drive chemical reactions, like CO2 recycling, on site.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:27 AM

GEO, who said anything about electric cars? Not me. Just hook those windmills and solar cells to the power grid. You'll lose less money. Or you'll need less grant money to fund your scam.

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:29 AM

And GEO, we have all the methane we need for decades. Why make more methane? Drill baby, drill! LOL

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:30 AM

GEO “Most available sources of environmental electricity can't generate at the voltages and amperages necessary for injecting into the grid.”

Uhh, GEO, they invented this thing called a transformer that will do just that. Read about it on Wikipedia. LOL

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:30 AM

Even further, there is a spin-off company, "Liquid Light", from Princeton University, that has been receiving money from the US Government to further develop CO2-recycling tech first developed at Princeton. One example is disclosed in: "US Patent Application 20130199937 - Reducing Carbon Dioxide to Products; August 8, 2013; Assignee: Liquid Light, Inc., NJ; Abstract: A method reducing carbon dioxide to one or more products (specified to include Ethanol and Methanol). Government Interests: This invention was made with government support under Grant DE-SC0006201 awarded by the Department of Energy. The government has certain rights in the invention." You, simply, are not being fully informed.

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:38 AM

Even further, the USDOE itself has been developing artificial photosynthesis at it's national laboratories, that is, technologies powered by sunlight which convert Carbon Dioxide and Water into substitute natural gas you don't have to drill and frack for. See, for one example: "US Patent Application 20130079577 - Synthesis of Photocatalysts for Solar Fuel Generation; March 28, 2013; Abstract: In one preferred embodiment, a photocatalyst for conversion of carbon dioxide and water to a hydrocarbon (specified to be Methane). Government Interests: The United States Government has rights in this invention pursuant to Contract No. DE-AC02-06CH11357 between the United States Government and UChicago Argonne, LLC representing Argonne National Laboratory".

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TrollSlayer

Sep-19-13 8:44 AM

WVUGEO “there is a spin-off company, ‘Liquid Light’... that has been receiving money from the US Government...”

More Solyndra-style scams. Light Squared. Abound Solar. A123. Scam after scam after scam. And all funded by tax dollars and borrowed money from China. Disgusting how scam artists can steal BILLIONS from the US Treasury with only a few millions in kickbacks to the right politicians...

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WVUGEO

Sep-19-13 8:52 AM

We agree with WWUthinking. For instance, has anyone been informed that, while still a US Senator, President Obama partnered with WV's Senator Robert Byrd, and others, to co-sponsor Senate Bill 155 in the 110th Congress, what came to be called the "Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007"? If it hadn't gotten buried "in committee", it would have promoted the conversion of Coal into Gasoline and Diesel, like they've been doing in South Africa for the past half a century, like they're starting to do in a big way - with the help and participation of WVU, by the way - in China.

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