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Online Surge Slows Health Right

October 2, 2013

WHEELING — Patients turned out to Wheeling Health Right on Tuesday to register for coverage through the Affordable Care Act, but few were successful as the federal Healthcare Insurance Marketplace......

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-02-13 9:09 PM

But thanks to the Unaffordable Care Act, someone that could afford to pay $20 or 50K for medical bills, but wants a high deductible policy just in case, can't get one. They are making it impossible to buy such policies do drive as many people as they can to the exchanges.

If you have a health Savings Account, the amount you can put aside tax free has been cut in half, thanks to the UCA. How on earth does that help the uninsured? Considering you could pay the premiums with pretax money before, I guess they want to make this whole thing as ugly as possible so socialized medicine will be attractive.

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-02-13 9:05 PM

z, a fairly significant number of that mythical 30 million are guys like Buffet, Gates, and on down to the guy I used to work for. He had a company with 6 employees. We had "insurance" from Aetna one year, Cigna the next and some other company the next. Why the quotes? None of those companies actually insured us. John set aside about half a million a year for covering our medical bills, and hired them to administer the program. It's called self-insurance, and most decent size businesses do it. Just in case you buy a policy with a half million deductible, just in case. So a company owner with 60 employees can pay his own bills, but obie counts him. Any idea how many people fit that category? Several million.

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TheRealityPolice

Oct-02-13 8:58 PM

Yeah, I read some whiner libtard Obamao voter on another website, crying because his employer is switching everyone over to HSA accounts, and Obamacare plans with $ 1300 deductibles! Ahhhh, shucks - he was ******** because "I cannot afford a $ 1300 deductible! waaa-waaa-waaa" - well, chump, this is what you get - and now you might have to forego the extra little nice things you spend money on, and sock some of that paycheck away each pay into your HSA account. So now you will be more like the rest of us, who budget, and save and plan ahead. BOOM!!!

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-02-13 8:55 PM

Ztodd, As one that lived on the Canadian border, I saw hundreds of Ontario plates at the major heart, cancer, eye care, and other chronic care hospitals around Detroit. Go across the river, and you almost never saw a Michigan plate at an Ontario medical facility. The most famous clinic in Toronto specializes in hernias. And this is what you want for us?

If you think our emergency rooms are a mess, go to most big Canadian cities. Far fewer doctors per patient, much longer wait times, fewer drugs approved for use.

A Northwestern prof showed government stats that showed a 20% better 2 year cancer survival rate here than there, and 30% 5 year.

BTW, the first blink seems to be coming from Dirty Harry. He offered to support a conference on tax reform if the House will pass his bill.

Maybe the polling isn't so good for obie after all

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 7:52 PM

atoddh “The deductibles are very high on most of the so called-now required- affordable policies.”

So you admit the term “Affordable” in Affordable Care Act was a lie. And so you understand that the Democrit Senators and Representatives, and even your Democrit President, who told low-income Americans they would receive “affordable” health insurance were lying. And you’re ok with voting for liars. And having liars as your President and your Congressmen.

Typical Democrit. Very comfortable with liars and thieves. Disgusting to anyone with morals.

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TheRealityPolice

Oct-02-13 6:45 PM

So todd: Do you have any medical providers in your family, or any doctors who are friends or colleagues? Do you like your own doctor, if you have one? Or your child's doctor? Based on your statement of, "We are headed that way as once the Feds are paying they will have control of the rates paid to providers." - how will you feel when that doctor/friend/neighbor you like decides to say "screw this" and decides to no longer practice? Especially if they are a really great doctor, who does make good money because they are fantastic at their job? How wonderful will it be when we get left with the less skillful doctors, like the ones who barely pass their exams, who barely know which limb to amputate, who come to work high and addicted, who aren't available when you really need them? Won't that be great? Walter-Reed level care for EVERYONE! YIPEE!

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atoddh

Oct-02-13 6:39 PM

troll: Obama has been an advocate of national health care from the outset. We are headed that way as once the Feds are paying they will have control of the rates paid to providers. The deductibles are very high on most of the so called-now required- affordable policies. Soon the public will demand a national care system: Medicare/Medicaid for all citizens per Australia/France/Canada and England.

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 5:46 PM

caltran “you can't stand the idea that it was done on the watch of that black [click]”

When I get to the racebaiting I stop reading. Race baiters aren't worth my time. Just in case you’re interested in having an actual discussion. Probably not. LOL

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daWraith

Oct-02-13 5:20 PM

cowtransfat, people play the race card because their intellect is too low to intelligently debate the issues.

Liberals like simple minded, child-like phrases and concepts like "Tax cuts for the rich" and "politics of personal destruction" etc. etc.

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caltransplant

Oct-02-13 4:53 PM

Triton, I agree that those root problems need to be addressed, but that doesn't obviate the need to reform our health care system now. You and your cronies are concerned that it might work, and of course you can't stand the idea that it was done on the watch of that black liberal. It wouldn't have happened 50 years ago, would it?

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buffy99

Oct-02-13 3:19 PM

I myself think Health Right has too many FREE LOADERS collecting pay checks..They treat you like a dog and make you feel like a piece of dirt.

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 1:59 PM

So atoddh realizes Obama has been dishonest with the American people from Day One. Lying to you about his ultimate goals for you and your families. And atoddh is ok with that. As well as all the other Democrits who knew all along Obamacare was just a setup. A lie. And they were perfectly ok with that.

You disgusting Democrits elected a scheming, lying, thieving, socialist. Be proud, Demorats. Because when it all goes down the drain, you built that.

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atoddh

Oct-02-13 1:06 PM

yes: He does Old and it is a good thing. Medicare/Medicaid for all ;not just a part of the public.

btw: Health Right clients will largely be covered by the new Plan.

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-02-13 12:49 PM

obie basically said this was a means to the single payer end. When he was the junior senator from the welfare wonderland of Illinois he gave a speech to some union group and told them he wanted Health Canada here, but the opposition would be too great to get there in one step. So if you put together a cobbled-up mess, let it drag down the existing system, you can then say you tried repairing the "broken" private health system, it failed, so here's Washington riding to the rescue.

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 12:18 PM

TheRealityPolice “I wonder what will happen when these "palm up" folks like this class-warfare woman at Health Right gets her bill for premium, and just fails to pay it.”

Good question. The premiums will be so much higher than the Obamazombies ever expected that this will happen A LOT. Normally if you don’t make your premiums you lose your insurance. But these aren’t normal times. If Obama and his pirate crew force insurers to pay for care without receiving even premiums those companies will go bankrupt. Then single payer will be the only option.

Huh... Maybe that’s what Barry Bankrupter had in mind all along. No wonder Nancy Pelosi wanted them to pass the bill before they found out what’s in it.

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 12:13 PM

TheRealityPolice, Saul Alinski was much smarter. Calling names isn’t ridicule as Alinski meant by that word. It’s lame attempt at ridicule that only makes it obvious you have nothing else. You have to be pretty smart to follow Alinski’s rules. Goosy is just a babbling, name-calling, copy-dumping parrot. Her various pathetic permutations of “far right hair on fire extremist POS teabaggers” are entertaining, though. LOL

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TheRealityPolice

Oct-02-13 11:57 AM

You have to love Goosey who cannot have a rational argument but right out of the gate begins slinging the "teabagger" comments. Saul Alinsky technique. Slayer, I wonder what will happen when these "palm up" folks like this class-warfare woman at Health Right gets her bill for premium, and just fails to pay it. Will they lose coverage? Will they have the premium deducted from their IRS refund check? (shucks, no XBox and big TV from their tax advance) Also, will Health Right be glad to put people on ACA because they will finally get some more income?

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-02-13 11:39 AM

Birdie, the estimated yearly bill for a family of four on the bronze coverage, the one most people supposedly can afford, to reach the point where you paid the premiums, deductibles and copays, is $17,000. Go back to 2010, when this piece of junk was being pushed, and see what a Blue Cross family package would cost. It was less than half that for better coverage. So how, pray tell, are we better off????

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 8:23 AM

Gooseman... “whinning like the true right wing extremist teabagger”.... zzzzzzzzz........

SNORT! bzmzzzml... Whinning?... whaaaazzz?... zzzzzz..... zzzz...

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 8:20 AM

Gooseplagiarizer “To criticize the health insurance exchanges' glitchy debut, or the small number of enrollments Tuesday, would be premature”

Yeah Goosy. Because the REAL criticism comes when those folks actually get through to that website and find out how unaffordable that “Affordable Care” really is. “My premium is WHAT? I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!”

Wait ‘till they calm down about the rates before you tell them about the deductibles and the wait times and what’s NOT covered... You don’t want a riot on your hands... LOL

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TrollSlayer

Oct-02-13 8:16 AM

Yeah, Goosy. It's great that everybody was able to stare at that "please wait" excuse on the Obamacare website while listening to "please hold" on the Obamacare phone line all day yesterday. Because their interest was really high...

"please hold." Hope and change, hope and change, hope... yawn.... and zzzzzzz.....

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Gooseman

Oct-02-13 8:12 AM

Did some teabagger running his mouth for 21 hours about a cat in a hat say that "100% of America doesnt want this LAW"?

Well, "We have had a few slowdowns, a few glitches, but it's sort of a great problem to have. It's based on the fact that the volume has been so high and the interest is so high," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on MSNBC Tuesday. "We're working quickly to fix that."

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Triton

Oct-02-13 8:11 AM

Proponents of Obamacare and the free people, always told us that kids were dying in the streets because you had a house and a job, you pig. But there was always coverage for kids in WV (and other states), the health problems were (and still remain) that they have parents who didn't access the CHP free health care. They just were too high/drunk or lazy to let the kids have medical care. Nothing about that has changed with Obamacare. Those are the parents who don't feed their kids with food stamps, they sell them and let the kids starve. Now we have a new program that continue the food stamp for narcotics program but will turn schools into soup kitchens feeding kids three hots a day so the parents will not be bothered. Until we begin to deal the root problem of why kids are neglected and abused, there are no number of new handout programs to fix the problem. We pay for drugs, booze, we subsidize child neglect and abuse and we facilitate addiction with tax dollars. Sweet!

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Gooseman

Oct-02-13 8:10 AM

To criticize the health insurance exchanges' glitchy debut, or the small number of enrollments Tuesday, would be premature, according to Jonathan Gruber, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist who was an architect of the 2006 Massachusetts health care overhaul that served as a model for Obama's reform law and consulted on Obamacare.

"Hours or even days is not the relevant timeframe for evaluating exchanges," Gruber wrote in an email to the Huffington Post. "The question is simply whether there are ways that folks can sign up to get insurance by Jan. 1. That is a question for late November, not early October." Enrollment for 2014 health benefits runs until March 31 and coverage chosen by Dec. 15 takes effect on Jan. 1.

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Gooseman

Oct-02-13 8:10 AM

Desperation!!! TrollSlayer Oct-02-13 12:33 AM "Sounds like there are 170,000 West Virginians who STILL don’t have some form of health insurance."

Educate yourself before fanatically posting lies and whinning like the true right wing extremist teabagger you are.

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