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Ormet Workers’ Health Care at an End Today

October 25, 2013

CLARINGTON — Frank McCaslin and Pete Gray are among hundreds of laid off Ormet Corp....

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Quasar

Nov-01-13 2:49 PM

A thousand steel workers out of jobs at Ormet, I have an idea, let's join the democrat party in pushing for amnesty for 20 to 30 million illegals.

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BigMike

Oct-27-13 4:20 PM

Ragnar: "The difference is that Alcoa is able to keep its' unions in check." That may or may not be true.

But this is true: 1) Alcoa is a multinational corp with 5.7 billion in revenue in 3rd qtr 2013 with an after tax income of only 75 million for the same period 2) Alcoa is diversified. 3) It produces its own power for many of its operations (2.8 Gigawatts) 4) It is in a better position to withstand market downturns yet it has seen its share of losses. 5 Comparing Ormet to Alcoa is a meaningless comparison like comparing a Mom & Pop store to Wal-Mart Corp.

Get Real

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april13

Oct-27-13 1:57 PM

Ragnar, You seem to think you know a lot about unions. Are you sure you wasn't there when this strike happened? Could you possibly be one of the people who got hired at Ormet and couldn't cut it working there. Because you actually have to work. Also the workers don't run the plant as I've said before they don't make the business decisions. By the way don't judge everyone by the acts of a few. You're awfully judgmental. Maybe you do need to take a break from the computer.

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DinoCrocetti

Oct-26-13 11:48 PM

Thanks DG. I never got that far myself on the (Un)affordable Care Act

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dyingov

Oct-26-13 11:31 PM

old/dino, The COBRA type program is in the obomacare bill! Don't worry Nancy P. didn't read it either!

Problem with COBRA program it's hard to afford when you don't have a job! The employee is responsible for the company portion as well as his/her own portion!

These ormet workers can sign-up for nobomacare. I doubt that many of them will be eligible for medicaid!

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 11:31 PM

I know I had no unemployment and I was there!

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conservelr

Oct-26-13 11:16 PM

Ragnar, personally I pity you. You should really do some research before you attempt to appear so intelligent on a matter. As far as I know, the union did not receive unemployment during the strike. Do up have statistics on these things. You insinuate that Ormet employees are on drugs. Do you have a factual basis for this?

Maybe you shouldn't sit in front of your computer all the time and go out into the real world. Do something. Being so dimwitted, you need all the help you can get.

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Ragnar

Oct-26-13 8:52 PM

75% of Alcoa's revenue comes from aluminum. And saying that "Alcoa probably gets their power a lot cheaper" does not make it so. They might be a big company but their plants are scattered all over and you don't get a volume discount for buying electricity in different states and countries.

The difference is that Alcoa is able to keep its' unions in check.

Ormet's union workers are thugs. When they walked off their jobs and got unemployment, it was obvious that the political fix was in. They should have been fired. Instead, they got their unemployment and stood around taking videotapes of company officials and non-union vendors. They also harassed people coming into the plant and committed acts of sabotage.

If union workers block access to a company's property, the company should be legally permitted to run them over.

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DinoCrocetti

Oct-26-13 7:42 PM

Dino, COBRA only works if the company is still there. No Ormet, no COBRA.

THANKS FOR ENLIGHTENING ME, OSM. DOES STILL HAVING PERSONEL IN THE BUILDING COUNT?

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 7:31 PM

Oldsteelmaker...have you worked at ormet? I'm not sure what goes on at WP.All I said is that I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate being called lazy. I know at ormet them men and woman work...just ask the 1000's that tried it and couldn't make it and had to quit

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-26-13 6:50 PM

Electric, I can't speak for the Esmark times, but I rarely saw anyone at Yorkville break a sweat, or Mingo, unless it was at the hot shops.

We nearly lost a major customer because a 30 year union member was too lazy to get up from his chair and look up some information, so he just made up numbers and put them on shipping documents. Took a huge amount of apologizing and visits to calm them down. And when the plant manager tried to fire him, the union backed this guy to the hilt. His screw up could have cost the plant thousands of tons of orders, with probable loss of hours and mossible layoffs for the rest of the rank and file, and they backed the bozo!!!

Do you wonder why WP is gone???

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april13

Oct-26-13 6:41 PM

Alcoa probably gets their electric lots cheaper and they make a lot of different things. The Ormet workers don't run the company and make the decisions. Frankly I don't know what the union did during the strike. You seem to know a lot about it. Were you there? Also it seems you have a lot of built up hostility.

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-26-13 6:40 PM

Rag, having watched WP management from close up for a decade, the biggest mismanagement I saw was not telling the union to go to hell, and shutting down Allenport 30 years ago. That bleeding sore drained any chance to make it a viable firm when steel was profitable. If the rest of the cold mill at Steubenville had been built to match up with the pickle line and temper mill, they might have had a chance. Huge transportation bills and insane work rules killed the company.

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oldsteelmaker

Oct-26-13 6:29 PM

Dino, COBRA only works if the company is still there. No Ormet, no COBRA.

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DinoCrocetti

Oct-26-13 3:50 PM

Aren't these workers able to get COBRA? Doesn't seem they mentioned it in this article......Being in a heavily unionized area may have kept these guys employed as long as it has. I'm sure in the past even Repub elected officals at least understood the political repercussions of shutting this place down completely.

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Ragnar

Oct-26-13 3:16 PM

I would rather pay more for electric on the basis of supply/demand than because some incompetent unionized company could not run its' business profitably.

Ormet's workers can deal with the things that Wheeling-Pitt/Weirton workers dealt with. Maybe they can get jobs in drilling.

Or maybe not, since they have to be drug free and be willing to work.

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conservelr

Oct-26-13 12:15 PM

Yep, Republican here too. By the way, let me know how your grandma's electric bill is in the next several months. AEP will have to make up for the loss somewhere, dear. ;)

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Ragnar

Oct-26-13 11:27 AM

Yeah, the workers at Ormet were SO productive that they have been bankrupt twice and are now facing liquidation!

Those of you who deny that the union committed sabotage and acts of violence during the last strike are truly in denial.

How about throwing spike chains across the road so tractor trailers would destroy their tires and possibly wreck? Yeah, I know. Didn't happen.....

Other companies also face low prices for their product, high electric bills, etc. Why do they succeed? Why is Alcoa still in business?

Nucor uses massive amounts of electricity and they continue to churn out a profit in an overbuilt steel market.

Face it, Ormet had already received subsidies that other companies could only dream of. And they still couldn't make it. Time to close up shop and get on with your life's work.

For the record, I do not support subsidies for any company-EVER.

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april13

Oct-26-13 9:45 AM

I wasn't asking sympathy from anyone. My husband never terrorized anyone or damaged their property. Also why does everyone always have to bring poor grandma into the picture. Maybe you should feel sympathy for the businesses that will suffer from that much less money being spent. Also you say you don't like spending a few extra dollars a month to keep a company in business. I don't like my tax dollars going for all the programs to benefit people who don't want to work. By the way there is a lot of people who make more money then my husband and I don't begrudge them for what they have. If it makes you feel better to call me a bozo then go ahead. By the way, I am a Republican.

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 9:40 AM

I'm sure the men and women at wheeling pit wouldn't appreciate calling them lazy

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 9:09 AM

Haha! Lazy workforce! That is to funny!...I would love to see you come hang with these carbon setters...they would eat you up and spit you out! Then send you back to grandma!

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 9:06 AM

Well that just shows how much you know...it was gonna raise 3 or 4 dollars a month...not 50 a month...and yes I would pay that in a heart beat to keep these families working cause I'm taking it that you have no clue what its like to go through what we are going through! You people are selfish...if more people would help one another out...this country wouldn't be in the shape it is in.

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Ragnar

Oct-26-13 9:02 AM

Now, change things around. Would you have been willing to subsidize Wheeling-Pitt, despite their bad management, lazy workforce and money losing product?

No, you would not have liked that.

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Ragnar

Oct-26-13 8:59 AM

electrichead

Let's assume for a moment that the former Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel Corporation was managed by competent people, staffed by caring workers, had access to capital, could bring its' Electric Arc Furnace up the full production and could find a market for its' finished product. All extreme assumptions, yes.

Would YOU have a problem with giving Wheeling-Pitt heavily subsidized electricity? What if the PUC came to you and said "Hey, you are going to pay an extra $50 per month for your electric so that we can subsidize Wheeling-Pitt." Now, you will say that you have no problem with that. The reality is, you would be screaming like a little girl at the idea that YOU had to subsidize someone else.

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electrichead03

Oct-26-13 8:40 AM

Well log you people got what you wanted..ormet is shut down and 1000's are out of work.tons of families and children will suffer. I hope your happy.by the way, tell poor grandma to save her pennies cause her electric is gonna go up even more now that ormet is down. They will get there money one way or the other. They have already said that.you all can smile now!

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