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Water Debate Flows South

Lawmakers hear from both sides on fracking water recycling plant

November 20, 2013

CHARLESTON — Ben Stout took his fight against the GreenHunter Water natural gas frack water recycling plant to Charleston on Tuesday, as he testified to the West Virginia Joint Legislative Oversight......

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TrollSlayer

Nov-21-13 6:51 PM

“nobody really wants either if i wasn't paying them to take it[no real value].” Tell your garbage man or your sewage plant operator he isn’t providing value, and let us know what he says.

“if the gas companies don't trust us enough to disclose the chemical contents[which is supposedly different for each well]then what do they expect.they don't trust us and we don't trust them.” Those contents are proprietary because the companies compete with one another and don’t want other companies to know their industrial secrets, not because they don’t want you to know. Frankly, they don’t care whether you know.

“it is big business.” Yes it is. Isn’t it wonderful that this industrial area finally has some new business?

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TrollSlayer

Nov-21-13 6:50 PM

mikeyd, so many misconceptions.

“well what's a bargeload of coal worth?these people are comparing the two.” What does that matter? What’s a bargeload of bagels worth? Barging coal and barging fracking flowback are parts of industrial processes that can be done safely to employ Americans and boost the American economy.

“Nobody but you i don't think that my trash has unknown chemicals in it and it doesn't go on the river.” So you know and disclose every chemical in your garbage? And guess where the runoff from that landfill goes?

“my sewage goes to the sewage treatment plant and hopefully not into the river.” Sorry, but it goes into the river. Treatment removes very little in the way of contaminants you added. And barging fracking flowback will REDUCE the amount being dumped into the river, anyway. You should be for that.

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mikeyd

Nov-21-13 5:21 PM

well what's a bargeload of coal worth?these people are comparing the two.i don't think that my trash has unknown chemicals in it and it doesn't go on the river.my sewage goes to the sewage treatment plant and hopefully not into the river.nobody really wants either if i wasn't paying them to take it[no real value].if the gas companies don't trust us enough to disclose the chemical contents[which is supposedly different for each well]then what do they expect.they don't trust us and we don't trust them.it is big business.

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anutterview

Nov-21-13 1:55 PM

[start post]

Wow, I guess I stepped in it that time, two posters (really, two) (two whole posters) disagree with my preferred script name, or else they disagree with the right to disagree with WVUGEO, or maybe they are just disagreeable. Wow, now I'm really confused.

Whichever way it is, I guess I will have to be try harder to get more responses.

Yeah, that's it, I'll be more respectful and maybe I will get more posters to disagree with me.

[end sarcasm]

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TrollSlayer

Nov-21-13 8:04 AM

Marcellus “PROFESSOR DROLLSAVER... we are awed... bullying and insults... YAWN”

Definitely yawn...

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TrollSlayer

Nov-21-13 8:02 AM

mikey, how much is your garbage worth? How much is your sewage worth? Yet there are entire industries, gainfully employing lots of Americans, that revolve around transporting those. And you’d be in a pickle without those industries.

Drilling companies, employing Americans, will pay GreenHunter, also employing Americans, to safely dispose of their fracking flowback. Some of that flowback will be recycled and sold back to the drilling companies, and some of it will be disposed of in deep injection wells that also employ Americans. So lots of people will benefit from that waste fracking fluid.

But you’d have to ask GreenHunter how much they’re getting paid, per barge load, to safely dispose of the fluid. I’ll bet it’s more than wonderwhiner’s entire “business” is worth.

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mikeyd

Nov-21-13 7:49 AM

ok troll,tell me how much a bargeload of used fracking fluid is worth.

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Marcellus

Nov-21-13 7:19 AM

Ah yes, PROFESSOR DROLLSAVER knows all, and we are awed by the bullying and insults, but not much else. YAWN

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anutterview

Nov-20-13 10:21 PM

WVUGEO - You may call me ANOTHERVIEW or ANUTTER if you would like, NUT is so impersonal, and not uniquely descriptive on this site.

I hope you don't mind if I think that your 'green' agenda is more about alternate coal uses that it is about dirty water processing.

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TrollSlayer

Nov-20-13 8:45 PM

mikeyd, and who are you to tell a private business whether the cargo they are shipping is worth it to them? Maybe you think the Government should shut down businesses if they don’t generate the profit per barge you think they should? Communist Governments exercise that kind of control.

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mikeyd

Nov-20-13 5:36 PM

and how is it that these gas company officials think that a bargeload of fracking fluid is worth anywhere close to a bargeload of coal?

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WVUGEO

Nov-20-13 5:11 PM

Maybe not this one; but, Ohio's Department of Natural Resources did conclude that a dozen earthquakes in and around Youngstown, OH, in 2011-2012, were definitely caused by frack waste injection. But, yes, contrary to one comment, there is drilling and fracking in and around Nelsonville, OH, where preliminary reports have the epicenter of the one today.

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wonderwhy

Nov-20-13 5:10 PM

idliketoknow

Nov-20-13 4:23 PM Agree | Disagree

mkhunt, there are no injection wells anywhere near the epicenter. take your misinformation elsewhere

Let me guess, idliketoknow believes in Freedom of speech..........theirs Only...........no wonderwhy!

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idliketoknow

Nov-20-13 4:23 PM

mkhunt, there are no injection wells anywhere near the epicenter. take your misinformation elsewhere.

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mkhunt

Nov-20-13 2:47 PM

Quake just hit area...so you still think injecting the waste water into Ohio is a great idea? Fracking mess!

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TrollSlayer

Nov-20-13 12:18 PM

Sure GEO. Now remind us again that since the 110 square miles of Ohio County is smaller than the 5,000 square miles of the record-breaking Barnett Shale in Texas, the 95,000 square miles of the Marcellus Shale, and the 170,000 square miles of the Utica Shale beneath it, are “a relatively minor resource.” LOL

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WVUGEO

Nov-20-13 12:05 PM

nut: The phenomenon you mention has nothing to do with the subject at hand. But, if we already have radiation contaminantion, in the form of radon, as you suggest, why would we want to add a big bunch more to it for the sake of what is, in fact,in terms of what we will see to be the total economically-recoverable net energy content, a relatively minor resource that will have virtually no long-term beneficial impact on local employment?

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anutterview

Nov-20-13 11:44 AM

WVUGEO, as you debate radium contamination, why aren't you raising alarms concerning the radon entering homes from natural decay in the soils under the houses in WV (not from deep well drilling)?

Is it because that radiation is a less severe threat or because that radiation does not serve your 'alternative energy and coal to gas agenda'?

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idliketoknow

Nov-20-13 11:00 AM

"kids, it's ok for thinking people to develop biases"

Yeah, but you sound one he|| of a lot smarter if your biases are based in facts. You slept through that part.

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TrollSlayer

Nov-20-13 10:21 AM

WVUGEO, everything you posted, EVERYTHING, was IRRELEVANT fearmongering and disinformation. Fracking flowback WON’T be dumped in the river, so your comparison to the industrial effluent standard is IRRLEVANT. Nobody will be drinking fracking flowback, so your comparison to the drinking water standard is IRRLEVANT. Fracking flowback WON’T be transported to landfills, so your mention of radiation alarms at landfills set off by materials OTHER THAN FRACKING FLOWBACK is IRRELEVANT.

Do you really have NOTHING relevant to say, so you have to babble IRRELEVANT nonsense in your DISINFORMATION, FEARMONGERING campaign? NOTHING? How dishonest of you.

yawn...... Come back when you have a SINGLE relevant, documented example of harm ANYWHERE in the Ohio Valley. zzzzzzzzz........

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IMHERE

Nov-20-13 10:01 AM

Not meaning to bash anybody, but lets be real here......how about this one? If Green Hunter offered a salary of $250,000 for him to work for them as a Biologist would he accept? Your goda*n right he would! Because money is everything! PERIOD! And as far as reading the local water report, whats the point?!?! Simple solution for you.....if you dont like whats in the water then dont drink it or bathe in it! My water seems fine, tastes fine, rinses away the soap fine after showering? If you dont like the area water then move overseas where there are absolutely no regulations on water and thats if there is any water! Learn to accept and live what you have available to you or go visit a 3rd world country and see if your complaints really add up to what they should be

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joeknows

Nov-20-13 9:47 AM

Dr. Stout isn't responsible for what the University is leasing, surely he doesn't agree with it. how many of you love what your bosses do? don't bash a beloved local person who is doing good work. millions of gallons of toxic waste being generated here everyday and no way to dispose and monitor it. unless they use less water for fracking the problem isn't going away. if it seems drastic to suggest no frack pads within a mile,no compressors, no wastewater treatment within a mile of homes, no hazardous waste convoys beside homes, that's how far gone we are. home heating infrastructure is another topic, since you'd like to know: kids, it's ok for thinking people to develop biases. I have a bias against crapping where i sleep too. But only those who don't sH*^ where they sleep would understand a bias like that. and there's a "book" called the local water quality report, it isn't comprehensive but recommended reading.

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WVUGEO

Nov-20-13 9:44 AM

And, if whoever clicked "disagree" on our first post was disagreeing with the fact that shale wastes trigger radiation alarms, see, very recently, from August 22, 2013, in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "'Marcellus Shale Waste Trips More Radioactivity Alarms Than Other Products Left At Landfills'; Last year, nearly 1,000 trucks hauling 15,769 tons of Marcellus Shale waste were stopped at Pennsylvania landfill gates after tripping radioactivity alarms".

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IMHERE

Nov-20-13 9:37 AM

BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.....information that nobody can even understand partially?!?! Go write it to National Geographic......so do you only drink bottled water, do you boil your water before you bathe in it, bottom line is....everyone of us somehow in someway pollute the atmosphere everyday we wake up! You drive a car? OK, they you are a contributor to depletion of the earths ozone! You throw away plastic bottles in the garbage? OK you are a contributor to the overfilled wastelands!

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WVUGEO

Nov-20-13 9:22 AM

Getting back to that Radium thing, which is only "considered to be radioactive", and "present only in miniscule amounts", The US Geologic Survey Scientific Investigations Report 2011-515: "Radium Content of Oil- and Gas-Field Produced Waters in the Northern Appalachian Basin (USA)"; confirms that Radium, an horrific radioactive toxin that can displace calcium in your bones, can be present in frack flowback, "Produced Waters", from the Marcellus in amounts as high as "18,000 picocuries per liter (pCi/L)". By comparison, the Federal limit on Radium in industrial effluent is only 60 pCi/L, and the EPA's drinking water standard is 5 pCi/L.

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