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Using Barges For Frack Waste

December 18, 2013

Virtually no human activity occurs without some effect on the environment and some risk to human health. Reasonable trade-offs and minimized risk are the keys to our modern way of life....

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oldsteelmaker

Dec-19-13 2:23 PM

Gasper, HOw on earth would you know how happy anyone was in the Paleolithic? Was Gallup doing polls?

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atoddh

Dec-18-13 5:20 PM

A very well done piece by the NR: very thoughtful and balanced in opinion. Expresses both points of view. The barges do make sense; offering the least risk. There is risk as the Editor clearly points out. The solution is to minimize.

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 12:12 PM

Choker, that's for sure, as you can see with your own eyes in any episode of the Flintstones. Except for Fred's greedy quarry boss Mr. Slate. He was probably a Republican...

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 11:15 AM

Here is another idea. Stop all shipment of all cargo that presents any hazard whatsoever, and go back to living in the Stone Age. Derrr.....

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 9:24 AM

... said the coal shill snake oil salesman... LOL

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WVUGEO

Dec-18-13 9:07 AM

In their study, "The Economic Value of Shale Natural Gas in Ohio", published December 8, 2011, expert economists and natural resource scientists at the Ohio State University determined, based on data from both Ohio and Pennsylvania, that, due to the, in fact, relatively small energy resource value of shale gas; and the nature of the business model that extracts and delivers it, using as it does primarily migrant labor; and, the end uses to which the gas will be put, the lasting economic benefit of shale gas to the areas that produce it will be, at best, "minimal". And, in fact, with the as-yet not assessed costs of environmental harm that might accrue, the long-term economic effect might be negative. You've been, perhaps inadvertently, misled.

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 8:47 AM

GEO “the myth of shale gas abundance”

Numerous gas companies with thousands of actively-employed professional geologists are investing BILLIONS into gas extraction infrastructure here, and one WVUGEO insists there’s no gas down there. Who to believe...

By the way, GEO, the Earth is round. Just in case you didn’t cover that in class... LOL

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 8:41 AM

Goosy, the drilling companies are willing to pay good money for the barge operators to haul what is essentially salt water. Do you really think the barge operators want to risk shutdown, fines, and jail time when all they have to do to earn their pay is move salt water to a disposal well? Typical loony leftist paranoid conspiracy theory from one who has never operated as much as a lemonade stand... LOL

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WVUGEO

Dec-18-13 8:39 AM

This is, really, all so sad. So much hype has been and still is being devoted to shale gas, in attempts to prop up the myth of shale gas abundance and the cargo cult faith in the prosperity it is supposed to bring, that truly magnificent energy achievements made by West Virginia University are being totally ignored. For instance, WVU Professor Bruce Kang leads a team that has developed tech, that, using wind or solar power can convert Carbon Dioxide and Water into a hydrocarbon synthesis gas that can be catalytically condensed into just about any hydrocarbon fuel we might want. WVU profs A. Stiller and E. Kennel have developed tech that, in a different way, can do the same thing with Coal, in combination with agricultural produce and some wastes, like sewage treatment plant sludge.

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TrollSlayer

Dec-18-13 8:30 AM

WVUGEO, the fracking flowback on those barges won’t be dumped into the river, and nobody will be drinking it, so your comparisons to industrial effluent and drinking water standards are just disinformation.

WVUGEO, your “horrific dangers posed by radium... inflict genetic diseases on you and on your grandchildren...” babble is just fearmongering.

Talk about “scurrilous”... Do you STILL have no relevant facts to present? Not a SINGLE example of harm from fracking flowback ANYWHERE in the Ohio Valley that you can cite instead? You have nothing but the same old disinformation and fearmongering? yawn.....

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mikeyd

Dec-18-13 8:29 AM

were the water intake valves closed in wellsburg for the two months that they were dumping the frack waste in the river right in front of our water treatment plant?

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WVUGEO

Dec-18-13 7:46 AM

A scurrilous shrug-off. The author totally ignores - - hoping one must guess to hide - - the horrific dangers posed by radium that, according to the US Geologic Survey, hardly an environmentalist group, in their 2011 report, "Radium Content of Oil- and Gas-Field Produced Waters in the Northern Appalachian Basin (USA)", confirms can be present in Marcellus frack flowback in amounts thousands of times higher than allowed by law in drinking water and hundreds of times higher than allowed by law in industrial effluent. Radium is not something that, if spilled, will just flow on down the river for someone else to deal with, as the author seems to urge as an acceptable solution. If it gets into drinking water even in the smallest amounts it will bio-accumulate in your bones and, there, inflict genetic diseases on you and on your grandchildren. The author suggests that hazards of spills will be the problem of those downstream and as yet unborn. Is that an attitude to aspire to?

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Gooseman

Dec-18-13 6:58 AM

Open a few valves. Let the fracking fluid leak out as you glide up and down the river. Who knew? There is your final destination.

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LogHog

Dec-18-13 3:56 AM

OK. So where does this Frack Waste water end up? What is done with it at it's final location? Is it dumped into the Gulf?

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