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Ignore Racing Industry Claim

February 8, 2014

It should have come as no surprise that representatives of the dog and horse racing industries are predicting doom and gloom if West Virginia legislators trim the lavish state subsidies they receive....

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atoddh

Feb-08-14 11:58 PM

legal: WD is being bombarded by competition from all sides. Meanwhile the WCVB is using tourism promotion money to pay for the Capitol vs promoting tourism. I don't know if WD can stand the loss of racing subsidies; with the decline in quality that will follow. They sunk a lot of money into the hotel and other facilities. Bus tours have declined. Tables are not making money.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 5:58 PM

Todd...dead right.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 5:57 PM

Well, Vega, as a business owner, I'm surprised at your remarks about other people's businesses. Still, I think you and Myers might be very surprised at where this bill ends up.

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VincentVega

Feb-08-14 5:06 PM

Legal 6; You are far off the mark. I am a minority business owner who often disagrees with Mr. Meyers. I have been in this area for 20 years and still do not understand the weakness and ignorance of this state and some of their leaders.

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atoddh

Feb-08-14 3:54 PM

Wheeling Downs is the weakest and most likely to fold.

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VincentVega

Feb-08-14 2:51 PM

GOOD RIDDANCE!

More of these greedy carpet bagging aliens need to leave our state after having bilked the taxpayers out of millions, They are as charitable as leeches!

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deanminer

Feb-08-14 11:50 AM

Vincent: Your comment is really insulting. I'm one of those carpet baggers. I came to Wheeling over 20 years ago and have lived here full time over 13 years. To compare hard working racing folks to moonshiners etc. is low. The State of WV, looking for outside investment,lured me and many like me in the racing area to come here under the promise of a business climate. Much like the city of Wheeling operates under the same promise. I've been a good citizen, employed many West Virginians, supported related businesses to an incredible degree, done a lot of charity work, etc. Yet, every week, it seems, my friends tell me, "have you read the local paper?" It's an attack every week. I am one who did see the writing on the wall and have left WV for another state. It's a shame because this has been an amazing place to live with wonderful people in it. My large investments left and farms are up for sale. I think the Island will be a darker place without the rich history of

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dyingov

Feb-08-14 11:17 AM

Google/bing/dogpile the following title and you should find the article.

"WV Racing, Breeding Has $321M Impact."

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legal6

Feb-08-14 11:00 AM

Dyingov: I didn't know about the study that you mentioned. I didn't think that ANY study existed in any form. I agree that it should be independent.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 10:57 AM

Got to noticing something and maybe others have as well. Comic book legend, Stan Lee always named his characters with the same initials. Peter Parker(PP), Silver Surfer(SS)J. Jonah Jamieson (JJJ) and now we have Mike Myers(MM) along with Vincent Vega(VV) Anyone ever notice that Vega never disagrees with Myers and that he's one of the first commenters on every opinion piece. You can't treat us all like we're stupid Myers. But you can both continue in lock step thinking we haven't figured it out.

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dyingov

Feb-08-14 7:17 AM

legal6, As they say "the handwriting is on the wall!" See ya, we won't miss ya!

Maybe we should read the rest of this study!

"The study was performed by the West Virginia University College of Business and Economics on behalf of Thoroughbred horsemen and Greyhound owners and breeders. A note states opinions expressed in the study are those of the authors, not the racing and breeding industries in the state."

Kind of like political entities doing self-audits!

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VincentVega

Feb-08-14 7:02 AM

WHAT A JOKE! MILLIONAIRES CRYING POVERTY!

Burdette is correct! Some "Greyhound "Breeders" will go out of business, i.e, those who have 3 dogs tied to a school bus parked in their backyards between moonshine stills. The remaining carpetbaggers will continue to qualify for Tomblin's "food stamps" for dogs program, and will not stop feeding their greed-filled hearts and pockets with hard working West Virginian's tax dollars.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 2:55 AM

page 4 Heck, dippin even promised the town a slew of quality jobs. Of course those jobs disappeared when dippin trucked in their automated assembly line machines to make their pastries. Once they'd gotten what they wanted, your days were numbered-plans were already being made to get rid of you before the first sprinkle was drizzled.

denmck is a genius

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legal6

Feb-08-14 2:51 AM

page 3 The newspapers all question your viability and shout from the rooftops that you're a freeloader who exists only thanks to dippin donuts. Rumors persist that dippin is advertising with the papers and kicking back extra to the editor. They continue to shout that you exist due to the kindness of the SUBSIDY provided by the out of state, dippin donuts and that if you were gone, they might use the money to advertise more in the paper. The landlord says that even if everyone goes back on their guarantee...their PROMISE, that you can keep making your pastries, but in the backroom only, with no visibility, no mall signage, no promotion which seems silly because that's where they parked you from day one, anyhow. You realize that you've been duped by the landlord and the out of state dippin donuts. They only used you to slide past the voters.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 2:44 AM

page 2 He says no matter how much you make or don't make that dippin donuts will give you a cut that will exceed your income by perhaps 3x and they'll put it all in writing...a guarantee...a PROMISE. You don't like, but you go along. You're not sure-perhaps the town might have approved to expansion by the out of staters. It turns out to be great for everyone. Dippin donuts is making truckloads of cash (most shipped back to their home state), you're making more money even though you're selling fewer donuts and the landlord has increased his rental income 4 fold. Then one day, it all changes. The landlord says your business is a waste of space. Dippin says they're tired of carrying you. They both say that you're being SUBSIDIZED. You say that you have a guarantee in writing...a PROMISE, made in good faith to let Dippin in the door. They say "tough luck." "You're obsolete." Even pastry2k says your donuts cause obesity, and causes tooth decay.

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legal6

Feb-08-14 2:36 AM

page 1 You rent a bldg. from a strip mall landlord for your small pastry business. Your bus. is quite successful. You employ locals, make use of other local businesses, you're a respected member of the community. One day, the landlord informs you that he wants to build another wing on the mall for an out of state dippin' donuts. You say that your little business will be crushed. You realize your days are numbered and that local businesses will suffer as dippin donuts brings their supplies in from their home state. The landlord then tells you that perhaps a deal can be made. He's nervous that the city might not approve his expansion plans as the folks in town aren't crazy about the potential for poorly managed developments owned by out of staters. Not to mention the suburban sprawl. So a deal is proposed for you to keep your little business, but dippin donuts will set up in your wing of the mall. You don't like the idea. The landlord says, "take it easy."

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legal6

Feb-08-14 1:43 AM

Where is the study on racing's impact on WV employment, the benefits to other businesses, the "promise" that was made to those in the racing business that when legislators allowed OUT OF STATE casino owners to rob WV, knowing full well that they could kill the human employment of racing versus the automated work of a slot machine? Even the magical table games and casino jobs never added up to that promise either in quantity or quality. Still, Myers knows best. Let's have WV pay for a plethora of racing folks on the unemployment line and welfare. More importantly, where's the study that shows when racing is on, the slot take (and taxes and fees) are significantly higher than when racing is dark. Still, Myers and his opinion, without a single fact, knows best. He's still calling them subsidies for Pete's sake. While we're at it, let's ask Myers what a 15% cut to his salary would do to his family? What would 15% do to most families living a day at a time?

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