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Politics Behind Delay on Pipeline

April 21, 2014

It has become clear politics is the only thing preventing President Barack Obama from deciding whether to approve the proposed Keystone XL pipelin....

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oldsteelmaker

Apr-24-14 9:12 PM

GeoMetro, Do you just pull those employment numbers out of your rump??

There will be several dozen pumping stations along the route. The pumps do not maintain themselves. Texas City refinery will be adding a pile of new workers as this gets going. While refineries are heavily automated, they still need plenty of maintenance.

And for you twits that think Nebraska will block the project, it's already been rerouted. On land owned by sane people. Considering there are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines already in Nebraska, built up to 60 years ago to much laxer standards, why would anyone but a greenie fool think this is more dangerous?

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 8:36 PM

But But I thought everybody in the OV was going to GET RICH on the gas royalties when they started exporting to foreign countries.

Sorry Folks Environmentalists are going to KILL THAT DREAM TOO!!!

War on Coal, War on Gas, War on Accomplishment.

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 8:34 PM

The Department of Energy has given Dominion conditional permission to export gas. The company is awaiting an environmental assessment from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), due May 15.

As with the proposed Canada-to-Texas Keystone oil pipeline, organized labor is on board with the LNG project, wanting the roughly 3,000 jobs it is projected to create during construction.

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 8:34 PM

A liquefied natural gas facility in southern Maryland is generating intense criticism from environmental groups, in a fight that echoes the protracted battle over the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. Energy company Dominion Resources is hoping to invest up to $3.8 billion to upgrade the Cove Point LNG facility as an export terminal.

If successful, it could become the East Coast's chief LNG export facility, sending billions of cubic feet of natural gas to Japan, India, and elsewhere. Dominion stresses that the project would have a huge economic impact close to home as well.

"The local area of Calvert County gets a huge benefit: $40 million dollars in additional taxes, property taxes, and the whole area of Maryland gets a benefit as well ... not to mention the U.S., from an export perspective," Mike Frederick, Dominion's VP of liquefied natural gas operations, told Fox News in an interview.

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anutterview

Apr-23-14 3:05 PM

The oil is wanted for consumption,(because the rest of the world hasn't bought into the 'carbon credit scheme') and the Canadians want to sell it, so you can be sure that Canada will find a way to market the shale oil regardless of how much our president bows to the various environmental groups.

The question now becomes, will Obama gamble a loss of Big Labor support?

Seem he is counting on the environmental groups not realizing that Obama's big-dollar supporter Warren Buffett will provide train transport for the shale oil, which would still pass over the 'critical' aquifer.

But then again Obama' environmentalists aren't worried about a train wreck/chemical spill over the aquifer.

Nothing political here, move along, there is nothing to see.

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 1:11 PM

Financial Times:

"Even as the Obama administration delayed a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline, a new poll suggests the project remains popular among U.S. voters.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of 1,000 U.S. voters found that 61% were at least ‘somewhat’ in favour of building the proposed pipeline, while 27% were opposed.

“Support for building the Keystone XL pipeline is now at its highest level ever,” the U.S. polling company said on its website Wednesday.

As much as 37% said they were strongly in favour of the project and only 10% noted that they ‘strongly oppose’ the project. Thirteen per cent were undecided, according to the poll. "

BBWhAHAHAH! The more Obama digs in, the greater the support becomes!

OBAMA: MASSIVE FAIL!

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 10:59 AM

Duke Energy told North Carolina lawmakers Tuesday that removing all of the company's coal ash away from the state's rivers and lakes would take decades and cost up to $10 billion, with its electricity customers likely footing nearly all the bill.

In a presentation to a state legislative committee, Duke's North Carolina president Paul Newton suggested the company needs flexibility to consider more cost-efficient options. The company's proposal is to remove the coal ash from unlined dumps at four of its power plants, but then leave much of what is stored at 10 other sites in place after covering it with plastic and soil.

WHAT WAR ON COAL, eh???

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daWraith

Apr-23-14 10:47 AM

Have you folks heard the China plan for the USA??? We got a glimpse of it in the Bundy standoff in Nevada.

In other countries that CHINA has loaned money they are now calling the loans. When the country can NOT pay, China demands they pay with ENERGY RIGHTS on their FEDERAL LAND!

So CHINA will own ALL OF THE ENERGY SOURCES IN THE WORLD.

NOW you see the STATES in the USA scrambling to TAKE BACK their LAND from the Feds!!!

BWHAHAHAHAHAAH!

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daWraith

Apr-22-14 9:48 PM

One of Opies sugar Daddies Warren BUFFETT stands to make Billions with his Burlington Northern Railroad lines IF THE KEYSTONE XL is NOT BUILT!

FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL, FOOLS!

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 9:00 PM

Progressive "talking points" make good bumper stickers but not much sense!

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 8:56 PM

The corporate power brokers want this pipeline so Liberals choose their corporate leaders over states rights!

Billionaire Hedge Fund manager Tom Steyer has pledged $100 million in campaign funds to Dem's who fight Keystone. And Liberals are tripping over themselves to lap it up. But an interesting thing about Mr. Steyer, her made a LOT of money via Oil/Gas pipelines.

"Yet his fortune is tied to investments in the oil and gas industry. One of the biggest holdings of Steyer’s hedge fund, Farallon Capital Management, is Kinder Morgan—an oil and gas pipeline company that owns or operates 80,000 miles of pipelines and 180 terminals in North America." (Forbes)

Interesting indeed!

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 8:48 PM

"South Dakota's permit has also expired and their legislature has not renewed the permit, some are saying that red state is also reconsidering whether to renew the permit."

The South Dakota permit has NOT expired as yet (June '14) and Pro-Pipeline Governor and Gubernatorial candidate Dennis Daugaard enjoys a HUGE lead in Polls.

"Republican Governor Dennis Daugaard holds a three-to-one lead over his likely Democratic challenger in Rasmussen Reports’ first look at the 2014 gubernatorial race in South Dakota.

A new statewide telephone survey of Likely South Dakota Voters finds Daugaard with 63% support to former state fire chief Joe Lowe’s 23%"

So I'm guessing the "some" in Hoopie's "some are saying" statement are in a vast minority in South Dakota.

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 8:35 PM

"Why conservatives now want the federal gov't to roll over Nebraska and South Dakota tells a story in itself."

A laughable statement! The working class citizens of Nebraska and South Dakota have been rolled over by Obama so many times it would have been less painful to just get Obama tread tattoos.

Obama's approval ratings are 37.1% in Nebraska and 31.7% in South Dakota!

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 8:09 PM

"The corporate power brokers want this pipeline so conservatives choose their corporate leaders over states rights."

So the "corporate power" of Warren Buffet making billions of railroading tar sands oil plays no part in this???

Pipelines are safer than railroads for transporting oil.

And I guess Hoopie's socialist tendencies take precedent over her Union loyalty as Unions have come out in favor of Keystone. "“This is once again politics at its worst,” said Terry O’Sullivan, general president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America. “In another gutless move, the administration is delaying a finding on whether the pipeline is in the national interest based on months-old litigation in Nebraska regarding a state level challenge to a state process — and which has nothing to with the national interest.”

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WVEXPAT

Apr-22-14 7:50 PM

"The very red state of Nebraska has not allowed the pipeline to come through their state"

Hoopie are you lying again or just spouting what your told?

1 county Judge and 3 "citizens" disapprove. The majority of Nebraskans want the pipeline. From OmahadotCom, "LINCOLN — Nebraskans support construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline through the state by more than 2-to-1.

Sixty-one percent approve of the 36-inch-diameter, high-pressure crude oil pipeline, according to The World-Herald Poll, while 28 percent disapprove."

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sounder

Apr-22-14 11:44 AM

Politics entering the fray over that contentious Keyston Pipeline? Who would have thought? The NR has never paid a visit to Nebraska to see just how many local, Cornhusker residents might sue to halt the construction of this pipeline. Even oil rich, profoundly conservative, that Province of Alberta, from which this oil will flow, crossing the U.S. border--doubts growing about the legacy of what will remain after that expensive gunk is removed from the ground. The incredible and massive earth removing project to extract those tar sands; makes mountain topping in W. Va. or all the combined strip mining in or near "Coal Country" seem like sand box playtime for the pre-school set.

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wvhoopie

Apr-22-14 7:37 AM

The very red state of Nebraska has not allowed the pipeline to come through their state. You would think that some of the right wing would be supporting "state's rights" over the ruling of the federal gov't. South Dakota's permit has also expired and their legislature has not renewed the permit, some are saying that red state is also reconsidering whether to renew the permit. Why conservatives now want the federal gov't to roll over Nebraska and South Dakota tells a story in itself. The corporate power brokers want this pipeline so conservatives choose their corporate leaders over states rights. Interesting indeed!

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LogHog

Apr-21-14 8:40 PM

Of course the looney left doesn't care about jobs. The beautiful Nancy says unemployment money is good for the economy

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daWraith

Apr-21-14 4:49 PM

Idiocy!

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daWraith

Apr-21-14 4:48 PM

Neogeo is a farce. OV is estimating 10,000 construction jobs for $1 Billion cracker plant but an $8 BILLION pipeline only employs 2000 workers?

Idiosy.

42,000 sounds like a better number counting hotel motel restaurant, suppliers, and all of the trickle down.

Then there would be MORE refineries at the end of the pipeline ALL EMPLOYING US WORKERS.

Here is my question to liberals tirds here:

ALL of this money comes from private companies, NOT US TAXPAYER unlike ANY Obama scheme.

If it employes 40,000, 100,000, or 4000 those are GOOD HIGH PAYING JOBS with PRIVATE MONEY.

So why do you LUddites GIVE A SHAT if it not as many as predicted.

Completely IRRELEVANT because it is NOT COSTING US TAXPAYERS anything, unless the $1 Trillion Stimulus for shovel ready jobs that WERE NOT THERE!

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WVEXPAT

Apr-21-14 4:08 PM

GEO, The oil is going to be drilled and sold regardless. It can't be shipped directly from the end of the pipeline to overseas (at least not yet) so it has to be processed and then sold. You'd rather another country get the sales on millions of barrels of processed fuel? So even if post construction job counts aren't huge, the flow from Canada will ensure refinery jobs for a long time.

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WVUGEO

Apr-21-14 2:14 PM

Then there are two versions of the State Department report. And, most of the "expanded" employment numbers are for that favorite of boondoggle lovers, "induced jobs" - which includes, supposedly and for instance, all the extra burger flippers that will be needed at all the MickeyD's along the way to feed all of the transient pipeline layers. Any of those would be temporary, too. You can slice it any way you want to slice it, it's still a baloney sandwich.

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WVEXPAT

Apr-21-14 12:39 PM

approximately 5,400 would be direct jobs and approximately 6,600 would be indirect and induced jobs (Figure 4.10.1-1). The proposed Project would temporarily increase the population in the proposed Project area as workers relocate to build the pipeline. Approximately 10,400 construction workers engaged for 4- to 8-month seasonal construction periods would be needed, equating to approximately 3,900 jobs"

So those who quote the 40,000 number have validity and so does GEO on the 3900 (if the numbers are parsed a bit).

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WVEXPAT

Apr-21-14 12:37 PM

"During construction, this spending would support a combined total of approximately 42,100 average annual jobs and approximately $2 billion in earnings throughout the United States. A job consists of one position that is filled for 1 year. Of these jobs: • Approximately 16,100 would be direct jobs at firms that are awarded contracts for goods and services, including construction, directly by Keystone. The other approximately 26,000 jobs would result from indirect and induced spending; this would consist of goods and services purchased by the construction contractors and spending by employees working for either the construction contractor or for any supplier of goods and services required in the construction process. • About 12,000 jobs, or 29 percent of the 42,100 jobs, would be held by residents of the four proposed Project area states1 ; of these 12,000 jobs,

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WVEXPAT

Apr-21-14 12:35 PM

There always seems to be quite a variance in jobs estimates for Keystone depending on how each side views the data. So probably best to quote directly from the State Department Study (search Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement Chapter 4 Keystone XL Project). Page 4.10-2 under Summary, "ummary The proposed Project is expected to take 1 to 2 years to construct and includes approximately 875 miles of pipeline, 20 pump stations, and ancillary facilities (e.g., access roads, pump stations, and construction camps). Construction of the proposed Project would contribute approximately $3.4 billion to the U.S. GDP. This number includes not only earnings by workers, but all other income earned by businesses and individuals engaged in the production of goods and services demanded by the proposed Project, such as profits, rent, interest, and dividends"

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