Space Failed East Ohioans
The IntelligencerWe don't know what favors, if any, U.S. Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio, was promised by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and possibly President Barack Obama. We do know that Obama and Pelosi lobbied intensively to convince members of Congress to vote in favor of the Waxman-Markey Bill - otherwise known as "cap and trade" - on Friday.
By the thin margin of 219-212, the House of Representatives approved "cap and trade." All three members of the House from West Virginia - Democrats Alan Mollohan and Nick Rahall and Republican Shelley Moore Capito - voted against the bill. So did U.S. Rep. Charles Wilson, D-Ohio. Wilson, an early opponent of the measure, defied party discipline to vote in the best interests of his East Ohio constituents. We believe they will remember that when he comes up for re-election.
We hope East Ohioans will remember how Space voted, too. With knowledge of how badly thousands of families in his district will be hurt by the bill, if it becomes law, Space turned his back on his constituents. He chose to vote with Pelosi, D-Calif., and with Obama, who had made "cap and trade" one of his top priorities.
The dishonesty and politics used to pass "cap and trade" were truly astounding - to those of us in America's heartland, at least. In Washington, such tactics are accepted, even encouraged and rewarded.
One example of the frantic rush to "spin" the issue during the last few days before the vote on Friday is illustrative. On Wednesday, liberals released part of a Congressional Budget Office study claiming "cap and trade," if enacted, will cost American families an average of only $175 a year. That simply is not true. It will cost families in our area much, much more. It will cost some their jobs.
But the $175 figure was not low enough. So, on Thursday, "cap and trade" supporters claimed the Environmental Protection Agency had set the cost at an average of $140 a year.
Still not good enough. So, on Friday, the very same liberals who previously had used the $175 and $140 figures claimed that, well, the cost would only be $80 to $110 - according to the EPA.
It was that process of lying to the American people - and that is exactly what happened - that Space rewarded with his "aye" vote on the Waxman-Markey bill.
What happened Friday is simple: U.S. Rep. Charles Wilson, who represents part of East Ohio, had the courage to stand up for his constituents. U.S. Rep. Zack Space did not.
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nufsaid
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07-09-09 5:40 PM
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I VOTE DEM IN ZIP 43025....... "NO SPACE FOR ZACK SPACE IN 2010" 'NUF SAID
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WVEXPAT
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07-01-09 5:19 PM
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I'll say Space failed Ohioans! Fellow Ohio Rep Marcy Kaptur got $3.25 Billion in pork on the 3 a.m. Waxman submittal that nobody read! Space's constituents out to be upset that they get zippo for Space's vote while the Toledo area folks get a multi billion $ power authority! I'm looking forward to seeing what other payoffs Waxman included in his 3 a.m. submission!
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steelercrazy
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07-01-09 3:43 PM
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The words I "spew" Truth are no more harmful to the environment than the CO2 spewed forth by coal burning power plants.
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robojock
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07-01-09 12:19 AM
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Once again people like untruthseeker can't argue against the basic math .0000222%. It is sad that our population has been reduced to illogical fools. 2010 People....2010.
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TruthSeeker
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06-30-09 11:47 PM
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robojoke and steeler, I don't even know why I respond to the trash you both spew. You are both ignorant and stupid and would know a fact if it bit you in the arse.
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 11:09 PM
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Yes Truth, the CO2 being discharged from the coal burning power plants are destroying the climate of East Central Ohio. The 18th district electorate, finally fed up with the .1 Celsius temperature increase over the past decade, which turned their district to a moonscape-like wasteland, begged and pleaded to their Spaceman to please do something about it. I wish some respectable news organization would do poll the Ohio 18th to prove your lunacy...
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 11:04 PM
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Seriously zippy, not that the far right is the picture of sanity, but I'll take it over the DailyKos/Huffington/Zoros/ABCNBCCBSCNN/NYTimes/WaPo obots any freaking day of the week...
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robojock
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06-30-09 6:40 PM
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Truthseeker, which is a funny oxymoron, when people are claiming that it is consensus, it is only appropriate to name adverse opinions that, now, are 30000, strong. The problem is that people like you can not handle facts unles it is spewed from the likes of Al Gwhore who so believes in global warming that his mansion uses more lectricity than a small town. Spare us the fake science, I prefer to teach the real thing! By the way, fight my math, instead of whining .0000222% is quite striking and could not hold water on any college campus, unless there is grant money involved.
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TruthSeeker
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06-30-09 5:51 PM
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steeler, you don't really know any of Space's constituents do you? I'm sure he weighed what he had to do for them. Seems he voted to keep them safe from coal burning plants. Sounds good to me. You say I don't know? You don't have a clue. As for you Robojoke, you offer everyone's facts and opinions that you cut and paste. You are no more a college professor than I am an astronaut.
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robojock
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06-30-09 4:30 PM
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should say but not
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robojock
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06-30-09 4:25 PM
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Yes, we actually teach in Idaho, one topic is hypocrisy 101. You know, kind of like spouting the wonders (pun intended) of unions, ut not using union workers.
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robojock
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06-30-09 2:44 PM
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More funny crap from wv26003. Why is it that you cry about personal attacks, but when faced with facts, that is what you resort to.I challenge you to attack my logic, which you can't. The facts are apparent as are my calculations. I challenge you to read the bill. Read the housing part that requires "greening" the house before sale. This is environmentalist socialism at its worst. 2010 Is coming, let us pray for a change from both the corrupt parties and their croneis like wv26003.
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 2:29 PM
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Oh, here's how another couple of "whackjobs", at least according to the zipper, have to say about the House bill (wvgazette story): CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- One of West Virginia's U.S. senators is opposed to the landmark global warming bill that passed the House Friday, while the other has "serious concerns" about the measure. Aides to Sen. Robert C. Byrd issued a statement Monday that said Byrd "cannot support" the American Clean Energy and Security Act "in its present form." Sen. Jay Rockefeller's office also issued a statement that said Rockefeller "continues to have serious concerns about the House bill." Thankfully, the bill is DOA in the Senate, but Space should still get booted in '10 for turning his back on East Ohio.
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 2:25 PM
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wv26003 said, "The poor Republicans are finally beginning to understand the consequences of being rejected by the American people. How do they react? With even more whackjobness, paranoia, and extremism. Any legislation which helps to expose the mental instability of the Republican Party is good legislation." The cap and trade bill is the poster child of "whackjobness, paranoia, and extremism". Members of the House didn't have a chance to read the bill before voting (whackjobness), the bill is built on the back of the paranoia or outright lies that is the new religion of global warming, and the liberal extremeism of placing the supposed good of the world on the backs of the American people and its economy is absolutely beyond belief. So while you got the adjective right zipcode, you got the party completely wrong.
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:59 AM
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From the Australian Climate change questioned after 2008 tipped to be coolest year of the century By John Stapleton The Australian January 01, 2009 01:12am * Text size o + o - * Print * Email * Share o Add to MySpace o Add to Digg o Add to del.icio.us o Add to Fark o Post to Facebook o Add to Kwoff o What are these? Climate change Mixed messages ... the weather refused to co-operate in 2008, offering record cold temperatures across North America to heatwaves across Europe and the Middle East * 2008 tipped to be coolest year of the century * Global warming debate reopened * Record cold temperatures mix with heatwaves WHILE the official figures are not yet in, 2008 is widely tipped to be declared the coolest year of the century. Whether this is a serious blow to global warming alarmists depends entirely on who you talk to. Anyo
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:56 AM
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From The Times August 17, 2007 Blogger forces Nasa to admit global warming figures error Lewis Smith, Environment Reporter Nasa officials have admitted that for the past seven years they have used the wrong temperature statistics to assess global warming trends. The mistake was spotted by a blogger, and forced Nasa to declare that last year was only the fourth-hottest year on record in the United States, rather than the third hottest. Climate scientists were insistent yesterday that the flawed data had a negligible effect on global warming statistics, and none at all on the overall warming trend. The figures related to temperature readings in the US, which scientists at the Nasa Goddard Institute of Space Science had neglected to adjust to be compatible with other readings. The changes meant that, on average, Nasa’s figures on US temperatures since 2000 had been too high by up to 0.15C (0.27F).
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:56 AM
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From the UK times. Is it not sad when a blogger makes NASA look like fools?
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:53 AM
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Once again, facts are presented, but all Wonder can do is speak opinionated garbage. How about the .0000222%? What of the thousands of international and US scientists saying "junk science"? Wait I forgot, it is Bush's fault.
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:49 AM
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Here is a great article about the subject from a world leader in environmental sciences.It is amusing that other countries feature more news on the bill than our own, further depicting the corruption of our media sources. ht t p:/ /w w w.c an adafr eepr ess.c o m/ind ex.p h p/a rt icle /8 943
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robojock
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06-30-09 9:41 AM
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Yes, all of us knuckle dragging racists....wait Sotamayor's ruling was just overturned officially calling her a racist. Isn't funny on how something is race, when race is totally irrelevant, but when somebody on the left does something specifically racist, it is great and progressive? Just asking. Poor me, I thought it was all about science. I did not know I was a racist, sorry.
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 8:26 AM
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And BTW, you can be completely against this bill and the whole man-made global warming fiasco, and still be a staunch environmentalist. Try not to generalize yourself, Truth...
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steelercrazy
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06-30-09 7:33 AM
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TruthSeeker, if you think more than 50% of Space's constituents are for this bill, you are way off base. Why do you think all of the local Dems voted "NO"! They realized that voting the Pelosi way was not worth the grief they would take at the polls in 2010. Spacecadet got some goodies from the Speaker and rolled the dice. Unfortunately for him, they came up craps, both for him and the future of this country.
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TruthSeeker
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06-30-09 1:37 AM
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Reactionary opines: "I criticize Zack Space because he failed the interests of the people that sent him to D.C." Well why don't you find out if he failed? Go ask his constituency. They can't all be knuckle-dragging racists who hate the environment can they be? Some surely must be progressives who see the right of the cap and trade bill. Generalizing is never a good thing as there are always exceptions and in Space's case, perhaps his constituency is made of up of more than coal miners, steel workers, and anti-environment people. A Democrat was elected in his area not a Rethug so THAT tells me something...
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robojock
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06-29-09 10:57 PM
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If we also don't rely on others, we can crunch the numbers ourselves. Let us do a simple equation. The Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old according to NASA. We only have roughly 50 years of good data, but Ill be nice and say 1000 years (to prove a point). If we turn this into a fraction, x/100 * 1000/4.5 billion = .0000222%, meaning we are trying to predict weather with .0000222% known good data (and remember, we have much less than 1000 years of known good data). This is like finding one black pigeon feather, and saying that all pigeons must be black. Sorry, this model does not stand up to scientific scrutiny.
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robojock
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06-29-09 10:51 PM
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Amen steelmaker. Look at the facts about the "warming hysteria" 1. The EPA has censored internal reports refuting the junk science. 2. The entire world has had record cold temps this year and has been cooling for 10 years. 3. Over 30000 international scientists have said the science is junk. 4. 2 Indepenedent audits of NASA modeling software "proving" warming, was found to be inaccurate and using old data intentionally.Additionally, the software could not even predict current weather patterns based on 100 years of semi-accurate data. 5. Ice shelves in 3 areas are GROWING! 6. The Earth has experienced rapid warming trends before while man was hunting with clovis points. One such warm spell lasted 10000 years and led to tropical migrations to the arctic circle, hence the fossil record.
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