There is absolutely no evidence that we have gone beyond the point of no return. Stratospheric warming has shown that the earth is losing heat into space. Cycles of the Sun and the 30 year cycling of Pacific Decadal Oscillation have been shown to be controlling the temperature on earth and these signals are now pointing toward drastic cooling.

You have presented no supporting information on your position. I have presented scientific facts and quotes that refute basically everything that you have said. You refuse to acknowledgede them. You refuse to support even your own statements with anything but your own opinions. It appears that you are blinded by your beliefs and will not even give due respect to the science involved That is an insult to my intelligence, is not healthy in the quest for truth and implies that some ulterior motive is present.

Anyone that tells me it's proven by computer models has never worked with computer modelling. A model will tell you whatever the guy who programmed it to say. If he wants to find warming, it will. If he doesn't want to, it won't. None of the models, when fed the data from the sixties and seventies accurately predict the weather of current times.

I have actually been there. It is the upper Columbia River Basin. Really interesting area. Apparently the great ice sheets that covered much of Canada and the norther tier of what is now the U.S. reached as far south as the Columbia River. A tongue of ice extended across the upper valley forming an ice****that backed up a lake that would dwarf the individual Great Lakes of today. The water behind the****would rise and exert increasing pressure on the ice eventually breaking through and releasing a flood of biblical proportions cutting out what is now the Columbia River Gorge. Once the lake drained the ice would gradually return to its original position setting up conditions for a repeat of the flood. The primary mechanics in the breaks was simple hydraulics/water erosion on a monumental scale. This dynamic was repeated in many places during the Pleistocene.

Amazing, isn't it? Glaciers advancing and retreating? Why, how could that be? After all, Gore has told us that this is the result of our evil lifestyle. I guess it must have been all those SUVs the Neanderthals were driving.

Grow up.

I agree. What a waste of money !! and landscape too ! We would have to cut down thousands of square miles of CO2 absorbing trees and green plants to install those panels and windmills.

None. So why waste billions on silly unreliable ideas like wind and solar?

If this was truly about the environment, you guys would be pushing nukes like crazy. It's about ruining our lives for your political power. Nothing else makes sense.

BTW, nuclear power is the greenest thing out there, so are you pushing it? Despite the nonsense put out there, dealing with the waste is not a big deal. We have MADE it a big deal by imposing all sorts of poorly thought out rules on it. The French get 90% of their power from nukes, and have a tenth the waste we do, because they reprocess it to get rid of the low-level stuff. We treat everything as if it's pure radium, including gloves that may have a trace of isotopes on them.

Know the secret? Dilution. You could take all the radioactive waste in the world, dissolve it in acid, dump it in the ocean, and not raise the radiation level by any measurable amount.

Don't be ridiculous ! That's not going to happen. Once Nuclear plants are built. They will operate until they a no longer capable of being used. As an engineer, I can tell you that would be at least 50 to 75 years.

Rogers main concern is to better the financial position of the company and his owners, the stockholders.

Thank you for presenting these shallow arguments. It serves to convince me more that my position is the correct one.

"Then there is the case of the missing pages. Those are the ones that contain the critical decision on how allowances will be distributed. Those pages, for Duke Energy and its customers, are the key to that third tenant of sound climate policy – protecting consumers from prices that increase so rapidly that they disrupt livelihoods. Ensuring that electric customers are treated fairly and not burdened with unnecessary cost increases is a mission from which I will not retreat."

and :

"USCAP did not come to an agreement on nuclear but I have said before and say again that a truly serious long-term carbon reduction plan is an empty plate unless we, as a nation, commit to making it possible once again to build nuclear power plants. Other countries will be deploying this technology to meet their carbon reduction commitments, and so should we."

Not exactly full support of the bill, Wheeldog

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